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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    The tauren as a full out culture might not even have existed that early in the timeframe. The war of shifting sands was how long ago exactly?
    Taurens are mentioned to helping out the night elves in the war against the legion during the sundering.

    Some of the night eleves did see the tauren as savages, but still somewhat accepted the help. This was some 10.000 years ago

    War of the shifting sands was way later, but yeah it did not seems to have involved the taurens

    There is however night elf ruins all the way down the coast of kalimdor down to silithus so maybe that explains some the reason of them being so far away from their current homestay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowraven View Post
    True, but I'm more wonder, Silithus wasn't really night elven land... nor was it tauren... yet in the War of the Shifting Sands, only night elves fought. What were the tauren doing?
    For the longest time, Tauren lived as separate nomadic tribes, much like the Centaur or Quilboar (though infinitely less savage). It wasn't until after WCIII that they started uniting under the Bloodhoof tribe.
    Because of this, it's unlikely the tirbes individually were powerful enough to contribute much of anything to a war like that, and it might have been deemed not worth the effort to try and unite them all (possibly because of time constraints).
    Night Elves, on the other hand, were a single nation with a strong military, and the dominant force on Kalimdor. Makes sense for the Bronze Dragonflight to go 'let's ask those guys for help'.

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    the trolls ruled most of the south, the night elves most of the north and the tauren were bullied by the centaur.
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    Im just spitballing here but if the night elves and taurens coexisted, is it possible that's how the night elves/taurens learnt the ways of the druid from one another? Or have those 2 races always been able to shapeshift.

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    They didn't exist at that time. Blizzard created them in WC3.
    Since vanilla, they gave us little information about old races, and they didn't do anything to be known, because they never participated in anything "heroic" or important.
    Maybe, in a new expansion with a new lore-events, they can write something for this poor races to explain something more and understand what happened between them (or maybe, nothing happened).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon1o1 View Post
    Im just spitballing here but if the night elves and taurens coexisted, is it possible that's how the night elves/taurens learnt the ways of the druid from one another? Or have those 2 races always been able to shapeshift.
    From what I understand there were tauren druids years ago (like before war of the ancients) then over time it was lost and then only rediscovered/taught after wc3.

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    I'm about to blow your mind. "Native Americans" weren't a single people. They weren't a couple nations. They were thousands of different cultures with dozens of seperate languages and hundreds of dialects who varied from those who roamed the plains and fed on Buffalo to those that lived in the forests of the South-East used wood to build the structures of theirs. Some of them lived in relative "cave man" style. Others formed armored platoons and attacked other settlements for food, materials and prisoners.

    "Mother Nature" is a construct of a religious mentality. Nature has no thoughts, has no feelings and has no concern for the plant kingdom. We are no further from nature than the amoeba and slime mold living in the stagnant water in the upturned cap of a dead mushroom that was growing on the corpse of a whale carcass. Four different kingdoms, by the way. None of them of any more concern to nature than a piece of alloyed steel.
    You are talking about a game where the simplest (trees, flowers, etc) thing can become sentient. There is a very, very big difference between the reverence Night Elves hold for nature and any Native American mythology in the real world.

    When your trees can talk and are essentially Demi-Gods, ya, you'd be pretty pissed if someone was chopping them down without care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    Respecting nature doesn't mean you are vegan or anythng like that.... The Night Elves respect and adore nature but they still eat meat and wear animal skins, so did the Native Americans etc.
    The native americans (along with all other groups of humans) also exterminated more species than the europeans did. They didn't respect nature as much as they were too anemic to grow their populations large enough to do serious damage to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHo View Post
    Taurens are mentioned to helping out the night elves in the war against the legion during the sundering.

    Some of the night eleves did see the tauren as savages, but still somewhat accepted the help. This was some 10.000 years ago

    War of the shifting sands was way later, but yeah it did not seems to have involved the taurens

    There is however night elf ruins all the way down the coast of kalimdor down to silithus so maybe that explains some the reason of them being so far away from their current homestay.

    The Taurens as a RACE exist since a long time ago, but as an unified nation? Just a few years. Before the Horde they were on a bad shape as nomadic tribes getting decimated by the centaurs. (then you change that with rexxar, chen stormstout, etc)


    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    From what I understand there were tauren druids years ago (like before war of the ancients) then over time it was lost and then only rediscovered/taught after wc3.

    Yup, the NE taught the Tauren about Druidism after the third war, although the tauren were druids many years ago.


    OT: The Night Elves had: Darkshore, Ashenvale, Felwood, Moonglade, Mount Hyjal, part of Winterspring, Stonetalon, part of Feralas and actually had a town in silithus. The Town is destroyed by the time of WOW.

    The taurens had tribes on Mulgore, the Barrens, stonetalon, thousand needles and feralas.

    It seems like the Tauren had great respect, almost fear of the NE at the time while the NE didn't mind the Tauren.

    Other than that we had the few pirates, some farraki on the desert, one or another troll village here and there and that's it.

    The only real feud was between centaus x taurens, centaurs vs trolls, centaurs vs harpies, centaurs vs centaurs.... Damn those centaurs.

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    The only real feud was between centaus x taurens, centaurs vs trolls, centaurs vs harpies, centaurs vs centaurs.... Damn those centaurs.
    they had more lore behind them that most of the other playable races, and really attached to deities/ancients and elementals. The bad thing is we are destroying all things that had a really good potential to become something.

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    let's just say that if the Orcs didn't come in and save the tauren from centaurs the Tauren may be dead or alliance race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoHo View Post
    Taurens are mentioned to helping out the night elves in the war against the legion during the sundering.

    Some of the night eleves did see the tauren as savages, but still somewhat accepted the help. This was some 10.000 years ago
    That may just have been Knaak messing up the lore, though.

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    The Tauren were originally taught Druidism by Cenarius.


    In time, the child, Cenarius, grew to the stature of his proud father. A brother to both the trees and the stars, the great hunter roamed the far places of the world, singing the harmonious songs of the dawning. All creatures bowed before his grace and beauty - there were none so cunning as the son of the moon and the white stag.

    Eventually, Cenarius befriended the Shu'halo and spoke to them of the turning world. The children of the earth knew him as brother and swore to help him care for the fields of life and the favored creatures of their great Earthmother.

    Cenarius taught the children of the earth to speak to the trees and plants. The Shu'halo became druids and worked great deeds of magic to nurse the land to health. For many generation the Shu'halo hunted with Cenarius and kept the world safe from the shadows that stirred beneath it.
    They supposed forgot much of what they were taught though. The Night Elves eventually helped them relearn druidism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azahel View Post
    The Taurens as a RACE exist since a long time ago, but as an unified nation? Just a few years. Before the Horde they were on a bad shape as nomadic tribes getting decimated by the centaurs. (then you change that with rexxar, chen stormstout, etc)





    Yup, the NE taught the Tauren about Druidism after the third war, although the tauren were druids many years ago.


    OT: The Night Elves had: Darkshore, Ashenvale, Felwood, Moonglade, Mount Hyjal, part of Winterspring, Stonetalon, part of Feralas and actually had a town in silithus. The Town is destroyed by the time of WOW.

    The taurens had tribes on Mulgore, the Barrens, stonetalon, thousand needles and feralas.

    It seems like the Tauren had great respect, almost fear of the NE at the time while the NE didn't mind the Tauren.

    Other than that we had the few pirates, some farraki on the desert, one or another troll village here and there and that's it.

    The only real feud was between centaus x taurens, centaurs vs trolls, centaurs vs harpies, centaurs vs centaurs.... Damn those centaurs.
    And Azshara for night elves, it was fully night elven land. In WC3:TFT, Maiev is hunting Illidan in Azshara in the first mission, where he has destroyed night elf villages with the naga.

    Which reminds me, sand trolls, why didn't they help battle the silithids? Or the centaurs? Yea, night elves, evil for them, but silithids were a greater evil. They were also closer, imagine the resource lines between Ashenvale and Silithus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowraven View Post
    True, but I'm more wonder, Silithus wasn't really night elven land... nor was it tauren... yet in the War of the Shifting Sands, only night elves fought. What were the tauren doing?
    Tauren weren't a nation until Cairne unified the tribes. All the fighting took place well away from Tauren land. Night Elves recruited Dragons after the Qiraji surged out of AQ and took Southwind forcing them into a retreat. The biggest problem the Night Elves had was Fandral leading them. He's a terrible field commander.
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    trolls can be terribly parochial, even against their own self interest it seems.

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    the Silithid didn't start showing up in Northern Kalimdor until the WoW timeline started anyways, right? Their presence in the Barrens, Thousand Needles, Tanaris, Feralas, and Un'goro was alarming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubjuice View Post
    were Tauren druids part of the cenarion Circle before the destruction of Archimonde and Nordrassil?
    Lore-wise, while there were once Tauren Druids at a point in the past, they "forgot" the druidic teachings, and the Night Elves retaught them that after the battle for mount hyjal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Tauren weren't a nation until Cairne unified the tribes. All the fighting took place well away from Tauren land. Night Elves recruited Dragons after the Qiraji surged out of AQ and took Southwind forcing them into a retreat. The biggest problem the Night Elves had was Fandral leading them. He's a terrible field commander.
    Which raises the next question, what was Tyrande doing then? Or Shandris? Or... even Malfurion, since I'd say it's worth to wake him up for something like this... or Cenarius?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    The elves were busy dyking it out while the men slept and the tauren were wandering around being nomads and avoiding centaurs.
    Any evidence of this? >.>

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