Elitists ruined WoW.
Ruined WoW? Lol no.
Took away some features I liked, yeah, but it's still great.
Point being, WoW got to a record breaking number of subscribers not by being hardcore, but by being casual. There is no reason to believe that it was the cause of the eventual decrease in subs.
LOL at this thread again.
I used to be hardcore, world first contestant in vanilla and bc, but now you know, that was 10 years ago, when i was about 14. Now i have a life, a girlfriend to take care of, higher education. So yup, i'm casual now, i cannot find time to raid at all, i like the effort of flex but it solves nothing for me personally.
tldr dont feel entitled because you have too much time on your hands. Your 15 bucks is worth the same as mine.
Hardcore and casual are styles of play, not demographics. Let's stop the whole hardcore vs. casual debate. The underlying issue is that the game lacks exclusive hardcore content for people that want a challenge. People are tired of Blizzard slapping a difficulty modifier on something and calling it content. It's not content and Blizzard is not fooling anyone. Lastly, if you like the casual style better, that's fine, but don't try to bring others down when they want more hardcore content. That's just being selfish.
elsewhise there is NOTHING that keeps me playing the game. MoP is one big grind, maybe timeless isle prooves interesting but i can't see me playing that for over 1 month without knowing everything on there.
tldr mop is boring as fuck and i don't have enough time to invest to make it interesting. I'm sure it's interesting for a lot of players (normal/heroic raiders) but that's what they choose to do. Stop blaming us, more casually approached people. It's just a game.
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Last edited by MoanaLisa; 2013-09-05 at 08:45 PM.
Yes, I became casual and saw myself become the villain.
I love how people keep going on about Vanilla/TBC being hard, yet when you look at vids from so called "hard" content back then you realise how bad people were. We've gotten some great fights over the last expansions and personally I've enjoyed ToT a shitload. I'm pretty sure that if Blizzard would've kept things Vanilla style we would have seen even lower sub numbers today, nostalgia is a subjective matter, objectively on the other hand, very few people would agree that vanilla generally > MoP.
So it's true then, you either die hardcore or live long enough to see yourself become the casual.
I'd love Blizz to throw in what D and D does excellently in that it has several difficulty modes catered to people who like a challenge or those who simply want to clear a dungeon ^^
Never going to log into this garbage forum again as long as calling obvious troll obvious troll is the easiest way to get banned.
Trolling should be.
- Rogues soloed Hearthglen much easier than any of the other classes, careful use of Stealth is necessary
- Warriors are severely limited in their soloing due to rage mechanics and lack of self healing, Feral Druids are also affected but less so due to mana issues
- A SPriest has an easy time soloing elites with heal on damage and MC in some situations
- Warlock Blueberries are crap at tanking in Vanilla even on normal mobs
Of course, this didn't stop players of all classes trying and some of them succeeding and teaching others how to do it, which IMO should be the way the game is learnt instead of being babied by Blizzard all the way
So pick your poison.
Last edited by nekobaka; 2013-09-05 at 08:53 AM.
I hate casual guilds. Wiping endlessly to the same boss because your raid team is trash is a giant waste of time. I'm currently looking for a new guild and I'm going to shoot myself if I get another guild that says they are semi-casual. Like, no youre not semi casual or semi hardcore. Youre casual, you don't care that your raider is causing you to waste hours of your life every week and the only reason they are in the raid is because they are your friend or you have an e-crush on them.
Whilst the frequency of poor casual players is probably higher than hardcore, almost by definition, there's still a LOT of casual players who are good enough not to endlessly wipe.
My guild in TBC was "casual" yet it killed everything pre Sunwell Plateu pre-nerf, it's all about finding a group of competent players and a leader who knows what he's doing
That's utter nonsense. My guild raided 2-3 nights per week since TBC and cleared most of the content in the game (including hardmodes). We had doctors and surgeons with families, we had people working on their M.Sc.s etc. It's a hobby like any other, you don't need 12 hours per day, if you can schedule 2-3 nights per week, it's enough time-wise. Your problem is not that you have a family and mortgage, your problem is that you're bad at the game and instead of trying to improve, you cry to Blizzard to give you everything with no effort.I wish I had 12 hours a day to devote to playing WoW. Unfortunately I have a family to feed and a mortgage to pay off. I guess I'll just have to remain "lazy and entitled" because my "poor character" compels me to prioritize shelter and family over a computer game.
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome." -- Samuel Johnson
Casuals have been here since beta.
The word "casual" has many meanings.
What do you also mean by "ruin". The game has made amazing improvements over time, some aspects of the game may have gotten worse but for the most part the game is fine. The only thing that can really "ruin" the game is it's old age.