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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    It protects our various interests in the region, as well as allies, such as Israel, Turkey, and Jordan.
    last I heard this was a civil war

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    A stable Middle East is within our national security interest.
    and the world is paying us or eternally grateful for us doing this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    The F-22 has the most advanced martial flight avionics systems in the world, and outside of our close allies, there is literally no one with the technology to shoot them down. They can fly all over Damascus with impunity, especially during the night. Furthermore, we're going to be disabling their anti-air capabilities via naval warfare before we send in manned vehicles anyways, so it's a total non-issue.

    The life for the average Syrian will not immediately improve, but the following will be accomplished:

    1. A man who is probably the closest thing to the 21st century's version of Hitler will have his regime terminated, and possibly even his life, thereby delivering justice to all those who suffered by his evil forces.
    2. The foundation and basis for a stable Syria sometime in the future will be laid.
    bwhahahahahahahahahahashhhaahaha Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Libya would like to have a word with you. Actually Russian fighters are superior to the F-22 and the S300 can shoot them down no problems why do you think America told Russia please dont fufill that order to the Syrian Army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    The F-22 has the most advanced martial flight avionics systems in the world, and outside of our close allies, there is literally no one with the technology to shoot them down. They can fly all over Damascus with impunity, especially during the night. Furthermore, we're going to be disabling their anti-air capabilities via naval warfare before we send in manned vehicles anyways, so it's a total non-issue.

    The life for the average Syrian will not immediately improve, but the following will be accomplished:

    1. A man who is probably the closest thing to the 21st century's version of Hitler will have his regime terminated, and possibly even his life, thereby delivering justice to all those who suffered by his evil forces.
    2. The foundation and basis for a stable Syria sometime in the future will be laid.
    Man I wish I had your childlike, naive, blind faith in the government to always be benevolent, never have ulterior motives and constantly working in the best interests of the people!

    On an unrelated note, I'm willing to bet it's been a VERY long time since you've touched a history book.
    You also think Syria's a threat to Israel. That's cute, tell me more about how a country torn by CIVIL WAR is any threat to Israel at all? Israel is quite well-armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    last I heard this was a civil war

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    and the world is paying us or eternally grateful for us doing this?
    No, but the military industrial complex, countries such as Raytheon and LMT, are paying our politicians gratefully for doing this. But, who cares? Win-win in my book. Our politicians get rich, we liberate a bunch of countries, create American jobs for Raytheon/LMT/etc by doing so, and everyone is happy (except for the tyrant, of course.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandulous View Post
    bwhahahahahahahahahahashhhaahaha Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Libya would like to have a word with you. Actually Russina fighters are superior to the F-22 and the S300 can shoo them down no problems why do you think America told Russia please dont fufill that order to the Syrian Army.
    Hmm. Because we don't want russia fulfilling orders for weapons to the syrian army? Wouldn't have mattered what it was. That was kind of a dumb statement.
    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    I highly doubt that given the fact that I'm in ROTC atm.

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    It protects our various interests in the region, as well as allies, such as Israel, Turkey, and Jordan. A stable Middle East is within our national security interest.
    A stable middle east is a joke. When has it been stable? What specific interests do we have? I didn't hear about our allies being attacked. They may have other interests in the area, but their interests are not all our interests.

    It seems to me that our national interest is that this conflict is contained, not that one side(that hates us) wins over the other side(that hates us).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    The F-22 has the most advanced martial flight avionics systems in the world, and outside of our close allies, there is literally no one with the technology to shoot them down. They can fly all over Damascus with impunity, especially during the night. Furthermore, we're going to be disabling their anti-air capabilities via naval warfare before we send in manned vehicles anyways, so it's a total non-issue.

    The life for the average Syrian will not immediately improve, but the following will be accomplished:
    Nothing is 100% safe

    1. A man who is probably the closest thing to the 21st century's version of Hitler will have his regime terminated, and possibly even his life, thereby delivering justice to all those who suffered by his evil forces.
    2. The foundation and basis for a stable Syria sometime in the future will be laid.
    Considering who will receives aid, I have serious doubts. Many rebels are no better than Assad, they are the same scum and helping either side is pointless and will achieve nothing in the long run, if you want to interfere bomb both of them and take over the country, but since that will direct the hatred of the population to their liberators it isn't wise either. The situation in Syria is entirely fucked up and no outside interference can actually really solve the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    killing 'innocents'........
    Im assuming they are labeled innocent because they are civilians? So military personal are 'guilty'?
    yeah, he didnt say that. military know what they are getting into (presumably), have training and weapons. they are in the game, and most chose to be in it. "innocent" with regards to civilians generally means they had no intention of being in the middle of combat. if you have a point then make it without twisting people's words around in such a perverted fashion
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    I highly doubt that given the fact that I'm in ROTC atm.
    When you get older, you'll realize that governments lie to their people on a regular basis. The only thing I can attribute your naivety to would be your lack of real world experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandulous View Post
    bwhahahahahahahahahahashhhaahaha Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Libya would like to have a word with you. Actually Russian fighters are superior to the F-22 and the S300 can shoot them down no problems why do you think America told Russia please dont fufill that order to the Syrian Army.
    Rofl, you're joking, right? The F-22, and the upcoming F-35, will keep the world's most strongest air power (read: the greatest Air Force in the world is the USAF and then the second greatest is the U.S. Navy) firmly in dominance of the skies. Russia's worn out Sukhov fighters, even the newer generations, have nowhere near the same avionics brilliance as our fighters do. Case closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    When you get older, you'll realize that governments lie to their people on a regular basis. The only thing I can attribute your naivety to would be your lack of real world experience.
    I've been following politics, world events, the implementation of realpolitik, etc, as a side-hobby since I was 12 years old. I would say that I have plenty of "real world experience" as far as I care already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    President Obama's push for an attack on Syria is a huge turning point for his relatively anti-war stance (relative though it is). I am personally frustrated with this, because he championed the need for a unified, global coalition in making decisions of war during his election campaign. Even with Putin playing devil's advocate, there is nothing close to a consensus, but rather the opposite.
    Obama wouldn't push forward unless he had compelling evidence about the sarin.

    He is now lobbying alongside the likes of Neoconservatives like John Boehner and John McCain in the hopes of ratifying punitive strikes against Syria.
    Boehner I don't think is a neocon. McCain kind of is, but McCain is liberal on some issues too. While he's definitely correctly placed in the R camp, he has his own independent opinions.

    These congresspeople normally wouldn't join with Obama unless it was to kill his signature legislation. How can representatives that are so starkly divided agree on something that is so unpopular?
    I'm going to assume they have access to information that they find compelling.

    Are these people genuinely interested in halting the proliferation of Sarin attacks? Or are all the representatives in the U.S. (including Obama) truly Neocons at heart, a subtler version of the last administration bent on different motives?
    The first one. Obama is not a neocon.

    The thing is, Obama is being FORCED to do this pretty much. And the strikes will be ineffective. As I walked in from lunch, the headline was "Assad regime will weather attacks" with the assurance that hey, sure, these missiles are headed over because you gassed your people, but don't worry too much.

    This is a nightmare for us, and I really feel for Obama here. This is a crappy position to be put in. Obama is not "pro-war".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukki View Post
    Man I wish I had your childlike, naive, blind faith in the government to always be benevolent, never have ulterior motives and constantly working in the best interests of the people!

    On an unrelated note, I'm willing to bet it's been a VERY long time since you've touched a history book.
    You also think Syria's a threat to Israel. That's cute, tell me more about how a country torn by CIVIL WAR is any threat to Israel at all? Israel is quite well-armed.
    I used to be insanely cynical as well, but I find it much more fun to be realistically optimistic. It makes me feel happier, but it also strikes me as being closer to the truth in most cases, too, so it's a win-win for me.

    Syria is not a conventional threat to Israel, but Syria (Iran->Iraq->Syria->Lebanon->Hezbollah) is a key part of the weapon smuggling route that Iran uses to arm Hezbollah, which is an unconventional threat to Israel.

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    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

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    You know, sometimes it's bigger than what you can see/or what you mostly hear, perhaps the pros outdoes the cons, it obviously sounds like a terrible move, i don't think Obama.. or rather the democrats (Cause the president is just one cog in a machine) are doing it because of pure good-will for the syrian people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last starfighter View Post
    'muricaaw'!!! Fuck yeah!!! Comin' again to save the mutha fuckin' day yeah!! 'murica fuck yeah! So lick my butt and suck on my balls!!!
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    So how many other Nobel Peace Prize winners have done nothing before they won the award for peace and is known for expanding manless killing drones and bombing other countriesm after they win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    I used to be insanely cynical as well, but I find it much more fun to be realistically optimistic. It makes me feel happier, but it also strikes me as being closer to the truth in most cases, too, so it's a win-win for me.
    That is great that it makes you feel happier, but considering how the world works, your view is naive. I for one am a cynic and the Arab spring worked out just as I expected. The region has become far more unstable and dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    That is great that it makes you feel happier, but considering how the world works, your view is naive. I for one am a cynic and the Arab spring worked out just as I expected. The region has become far more unstable and dangerous.
    Yeah, I see the Arab Spring as something that paved the way for a finally stable Middle East within the next ~20 or so years. I like making educated, long-term prognostications on events such as the Arab Spring so that I can view them in context beyond their immediate implications. It's a far better way to analyzing contemporary events, but those in the Middle East in particular.

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    I would rather not see the U.S get involved in Syria, neither side is really worth it. But I can understand enforcing the no tolerance policy for chemical weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    Yeah, I see the Arab Spring as something that paved the way for a finally stable Middle East within the next ~20 or so years. I like making educated, long-term prognostications on events such as the Arab Spring so that I can view them in context beyond their immediate implications. It's a far better way to analyzing contemporary events, but those in the Middle East in particular.
    How so? Lybia for example more or less ceased to be it only exists on Paper anymore, the tribes down there rule their respective territories, but now armed to the teeth killing each other.

    Egypt killed hundreds protesters, you can say about Mursi what you want but at least he did not shoot demonstrators, Egypt has reverted to what the people originally rebelled against.

    Tunesia is far from stable, but it seems to be the only that can actually somewhat cope with the situation reasonably

    And then we have Syria, where the Arab spring triggered a civil war.
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