Tie between U.S/Russia U.S tries to talk them down at first. Russia goes fuck you kill them all.
Tie between U.S/Russia U.S tries to talk them down at first. Russia goes fuck you kill them all.
GROM is SF, they are not police, they are military.
Experience means a lot, even if I think most units from western countries are pretty streamlined nowdays, ideas and training methods gets exchanged and spread around. I know GROM get their basic SF training at our Navy Base in Blekinge for example.
Anyways, the ones that got the most experience dealing with these situations probably got an edge on the others. I would trust pretty much any western CT or SF group though if they needed to rescue me.
ps. I feel no desire to be part of any. ;P
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Too bad 'team don't piss on other people and have some fucking respect and you'll have less problems' isn't listed.
No really, if the powers that be could have joined that team from the get go, we'd have a lot less fucking need for all these teams.
And checking out wiki for history, very few terrorist acts since the 80's involved more then a few crazy assholes, or a couple of militant hippies gone wrong.
And interestingly, the vast, vast majority are religiously driven. Draw your own conclusions there.
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I do not see the SAS or SBS on that list, the first and the best, almost every special forces unit in the world is based on the British.
Seeing as DEVGRU(Seal team 6), DELTA, SAS and SBS are all Counter-Terrorist specialists too and you left them off you list is pointless.
Hands down Its the Special Air Service or The Special Boat Service.
They have been fighting terrorism back since the 1950s
Hell look them up it says quite clearly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_air_service
'It is tasked primarily with counter-terrorism in peacetime and special operations in wartime'
I would place the American USSOCOM and the Israeli Mossad quite close seeing all 3 train regularly together
Got to be the British SAS. They practically wrote the textbook on counter-terrorism operations, and pretty much every other counter-terrorism task-force in the world is based on the SAS.
Along with the British Army bomb techs, who had to rewrite the textbook on disposing of IEDs (because the IRA started getting very sneaky in the 1950s-90s and the old tried and tested methods stopped working).
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SAS for sure. They wrote the book and built the foundations that every modern CTU/SF is built on. I think they were even tasked with rebuilding SEALs or Delta in the 80's because of something that happened back then which went tits up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad
'The Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism, as well as bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities'
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My answer would be the NSG.
Why?
India and PAkistan were formed literally out of a war (Indo-Pak war 1947), and had multiple wars and conflicts after that.(1965,1971,1984,1999). Failure to achieve their goals through conventional wars , Pakistan resorted to terrorism against India from the 80s. Today India shares the highest disputed border in the World with Pakistan, and is a victim of Pak based terror. I hope this is known general knowledge.
NSG
With all the terror actvities from Pakistan, NSG became the one of the most experienced CT outfit in the world. They hold the record for the
1. Fastest Anti-Hijacking operation. (Hijack of Indian Airlines Flight 427,1993 was completed in 12 seconds, 3 terrorists down, no friendly casualties, or even a scratch)
2. Largest urban hostage rescue. We all saw the live coverage of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks in 2008 and how the NSG rescued over 600 guests/hostages ,searched over 900 rooms and took out all 9 terrorists with minimal casulaties(2 casualites, no report of collateral damage)
3. Another one of my fav ops. Operation Black Thunder 2,1988. Around 247 armed terrorists take cover inside the famous Golden Temple. The Op. ends with 30 Terrorists dead and 217 surrender with NO LOSS to the NSG.
One Does not need to Write Books and/or train other units when they have such a record.
Very poor list. Missing several SF units that do a lot more on a daily basis for Counter Terrorism then that entire list.
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Since you actually missed the SAS this thread is 100% irrelevant...
I'd put the SAS and MOSSAD as the current top 2 and but the SAS historically the best!
Then you put the FBI HRT but leave DEVGRU and Delta Force? the HRT are based on the Delta Force, just "a milder version" more focused on rescue than actually stopping criminals... Who did they send for Bin Laden? was it the FBI or the Delta? :P
And KOPASSUS? really?
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Special Air Service is missing from the list. Its probably the most experienced in anti-terrorist activities (bar maybe Mossad) considering it was stationed in Northern Ireland for decades. And the Iranian embassy siege shows they don't mess about.
Heck, the fact they mostly recruit from already elite regiments says a lot about how picky they are with their soldiers. Massive dropout rates as well. And that they are as well known for their own actions as they are in training other anti-terrorist organisations.
Are they the best? Impossible to say. But they are very, very good at their job.
Of course even the best occasionally gets a gobshite sneak into their ranks. They rarely last long.
Don't forget the U.S. Counter-Counterterrorism Unit!
http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-...ly-destr,2181/
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This is such a fail... If you used this reasoning you'd have to exclude half the list since most of them are not strictly counter-terrorist organizations... This looks more like an excuse for failing to most the most relevant organizations...
If you go excluding all special forcesand go by strictly CT groups, I'd say Satuan 81/Gultor (KOPASSUS)!!
but that would still be unfair as removing most of the forces that actually deal with terrorism
Last edited by elderamy; 2014-03-06 at 05:55 PM.
Why have you left out the best? The Commonwealths SAS units, DEVGRU and some SEAL units are famous for hostage rescue.