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    The fact that this list omits both the SAS and Delta Force when they outshine practically all dedicated counter-terrorism units worldwide invalidates the entire poll.
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    I have to got with Mossad Israel as well. They have carried out a lot of successful counter terrorism operations.
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    MI6 are an intelligence force that specialises in foreign affairs, they would not have their own counter terror teams.
    now you killed everyones belief in the 00's !

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    Israel I would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma View Post
    now you killed everyones belief in the 00's !
    The 00's weren't strictly counter-terrorism, they were espionage that also dealt with terrorists.

    And shagged the ladies. Before shooting them, it's the ultimate birth control method.

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    now you killed everyones belief in the 00's !
    Bond worked best alone, unless it was with a bird with big tits.

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    Honestly I think most of the western ones are pretty equal, the Russian/Chinese ones are adapted to their own situations, and probably perform better in their own countries than a western unit could. Israel probably has the most operational skill, the US probably has the most assets behind it.

    Ultimately when you look at a counter-terrorist group or operation it isn't the sexy part that determines effectiveness, all of these units outgun and outclass any given group of terrorists by a vast margin. What really makes these units effective (or ineffective) is the system behind them. How fast can they move? What can they bring? How fast can they tie into local systems? How fast can they pull relevant and accurate intel on an emerging crisis? (Blueprint, bio sheets on terrorists, ground layouts, political situation, motives, etc..). Who actually pulls triggers is less important than who provides these services, and in this day and age pretty much all western nations work together on these, the system is essentially the same.

    If something goes down in Paris, GIGN is going to be the one pulling triggers, but there are going to be US satellites and analysts working it within minutes of the crisis breaking, feeding it directly to French authorities, UK aircraft overhead, spanish sigint, Israeli advisors who know the terrorist group on teleconference, Canadian police pulling data from the contractor in Quebec that built the building it is happening it, and so forth. All this will happen within hours, and everybody will pull together behind the scenes, the headline will go to GIGN, and the success or failure will rest on them, but all the teams are going to be involved in this in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    The 00's weren't strictly counter-terrorism, they were espionage that also dealt with terrorists.
    And shagged the ladies. Before shooting them, it's the ultimate birth control method.
    Surprising that there are no little bondling's running round, and with all that casual sex, ever noticed he never catches a STD.

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    Probably the Israelis, they need to be the best, given their circumstances.

    That being said, the best trained "operatives" in the world are the SOG (Special Operations Group), a department of SAD (Special Activities Division) which is part of the NCS (National Clandestine Service) which is the covert wing of the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency)

    Basically real life James Bond types. They recruit from Tier 1 special ops (Delta Force, Seal Team 6, etc...) then train them for covert spy type shit.

    In addition to the eighteen months of training in the Clandestine Service Trainee (CST) Program[39] required to become a clandestine intelligence officer, Paramilitary Operations Officers are trained to a high level of proficiency in the use and tactical employment of an unusually wide degree of modern weaponry, explosive devices and firearms (foreign and domestic), hand to hand combat, high performance/tactical driving (on and off road), apprehension avoidance (including picking handcuffs and escaping from confinement), improvised explosive devices, cyberwarfare, covert channels, Military Free Fall parachuting, combat and commercial SCUBA and closed circuit diving, proficiency in foreign languages, surreptitious entry operations (picking or otherwise bypassing locks), vehicle hot-wiring, Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE), extreme survival and wilderness training, combat EMS medical training, tactical communications, and tracking.
    So basically they'll take the cream of the crop of Delta Force, etc... (trained killers through and through) then train them in all manor of shit, extensively for 18 months on a secluded "farm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrenheit View Post
    Probably the Israelis, they need to be the best, given their circumstances.

    That being said, the best trained "operatives" in the world are the SOG (Special Operations Group), a department of SAD (Special Activities Division) which is part of the NCS (National Clandestine Service) which is the covert wing of the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency)

    Basically real life James Bond types. They recruit from Tier 1 special ops (Delta Force, Seal Team 6, etc...) then train them for covert spy type shit.



    So basically they'll take the cream of the crop of Delta Force, etc... (trained killers through and through) then train them in all manor of shit, extensively for 18 months on a secluded "farm".
    I wonder if they have a training of seduction and if they have to be extremely handsome to do their work

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    List makes no sense at all. Some of these units are police units (Yamam, FBI, etc) others are special operators and spies (Alpha, Joint Task Force 2, Vympel): it makes no sense to compare across these lines. Then you need to think about the criteria you are marking them on - total number of successful missions? ratio of success/failure? kill/death ratio?

    Listing Alpha and Vympel are redundant - they have the same entry requirements and train together 100% - they are just assigned separately based on theatre. It would be like saying, "Which is better DEVGRU Gold, or DEVGRU Blue?" - they are both SEAL assault squadrons.

    Joint Task Force 2 is a nearly-off-books group - akin to the CIA's SADSOG - their missions are not officially acknowledged and not usually publically documented - so it's anyone's guess how good they are (which goes back to the criteria we are comparing them on).

    It would make more sense to compare ~black ops groups to one another - British and Australian SAS, US DevGru, SADSOG, and Delta, Canadian JTF-2, Israeli Kidon, etc. Or compare police teams like FBI HRT, RCMP ERT, Israeli Yamam, German GSG9, French GIGN, etc - otherwise you're comparing Assassins and Oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikko View Post
    I wonder if they have a training of seduction and if they have to be extremely handsome to do their work
    Generally yes

    If you are in any of these groups you are likely to be extremely physically fit - in which case it's just a matter of grooming and persona to make you attractive, so money and time/training
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    Bit of an odd list of different groups with different purposes and such... but since terrorist is a fairly ambiguous term, I can kind of understand that. Overall, the best counter-terrorism organizations are intelligence-oriented ones with a high capacity to stop an attack before it occurs... which, since information about prevented attacks is kept to a minimum to maximize the effectiveness of the respective agencies, has little actual transparency. So this vote is more based around "who do I think is more cool" or "who responds well if an attack is allowed to occur." Which can be kind of misleading, since an organization that reacts a lot but has little proactive terrorism prevention looks good on paper but is pretty bad from the standpoint of protecting the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikko View Post
    I wonder if they have a training of seduction and if they have to be extremely handsome to do their work
    There was a branch of the KGB devoted exclusively to using the feminine arts to gather intelligence and perform counter-intelligence.

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    Read up on the Norwegian contra bands during the second world war and you have your answer.

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