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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by xinjun View Post
    Yeah, I guess. But was his revival even mentioned in-game? Maybe I missed it. It seems just like "Hey didn't we already kill that guy.." I mean I guess the Lich King could revive him at any time I just don't recall it being even implicated.
    Well the Lich King did sort of drop us in the pit with Anub'arak for round two. He knew he was down there. Seemed implicit to me that he'd revived him for the purpose, because, you know, he's the Lich King.

  2. #102
    at least with Illidan returning at least it has a valid reason compared to kael'thas' "it was just a setback!" garbage, illidan is half demon (looks like part nathzrim to me) and they can be brought back from the dead since their soul wanders around in the nether when the body is destroyed (mal'ganis says hi)

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    at least with Illidan returning at least it has a valid reason compared to kael'thas' "it was just a setback!" garbage, illidan is half demon (looks like part nathzrim to me) and they can be brought back from the dead since their soul wanders around in the nether when the body is destroyed (mal'ganis says hi)
    Not really...
    Kael'thas never died in The Eye. After "heroes" killed him, Priestess Delrissa healed the elf, using some demonic-technology (gems, fel energy, etc...) and he moved to help his new master.
    Why he isn't a raid boss in SWP? I don't know, He should have new demonic powers too, like Illidan, he could be a mix between a demon and mage, and could be really awesome to see the other face of Kael'thas (another face would me something new that we didn't know, maybe a new face to face between him and Jaina would be funny).

    Problem about that, there aren't any quests related to that, only some hints here, some new text in the webside, and some writtings in fan-webs. Really hard to understand if you are only playing the game.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    Well the Lich King did sort of drop us in the pit with Anub'arak for round two. He knew he was down there. Seemed implicit to me that he'd revived him for the purpose, because, you know, he's the Lich King.
    Yeah that's the only reasonable conclusion. Still wasn't menioned at all, though. I mean that would be like if we found Illidan hanging out at the Sunwell we could assume he was revived with it's power but it's still awkward to kind of just find him there randomly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightofdawn View Post
    demons cant be killed. they just go back to the twisting nether
    not entirely true.

    I'd like an anti-hero Illidan again, one firmly aligned with the Night Elves.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    not entirely true.

    I'd like an anti-hero Illidan again, one firmly aligned with the Night Elves.
    i think illidan would be a bit apprehensive about working with the brother who left him in the dirt and exiled him.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    not entirely true.

    I'd like an anti-hero Illidan again, one firmly aligned with the Night Elves.
    That's pretty much a contradiction, since much of what made him an anti-hero is that he was really only firmly aligned to himself - and power.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
    That's pretty much a contradiction, since much of what made him an anti-hero is that he was really only firmly aligned to himself - and power.
    no what made him an anti hero was he was willing to do what the others wouldnt do.

    do you even know what an anti hero is? an anti hero is a hero that isnt afraid to act like a villain to get the job done, they arent held in check by morals or ideals, they get the job done even if they have to get their hands dirty
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightofdawn View Post
    demons cant be killed. they just go back to the twisting nether
    I'm pretty sure (and i stand to be corrected on this) that we can kill demons in a permanent fashion but only if we kill them on their home turf, I.E if we wanted to kill Mal'Ganis for good, we would need to visit the Dreadlord homeworld to put him down for good. But the death of a demon on Azeroth isnt forever, its just a.....setback. (Yeah as if we needed another one of those puns :P)
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Randypan View Post
    I'm pretty sure (and i stand to be corrected on this) that we can kill demons in a permanent fashion but only if we kill them on their home turf, I.E if we wanted to kill Mal'Ganis for good, we would need to visit the Dreadlord homeworld to put him down for good. But the death of a demon on Azeroth isnt forever, its just a.....setback. (Yeah as if we needed another one of those puns :P)
    thats for nathrezim. normal demons can die as long as they are fully summoned onto the plane of existence that their minds are on.

    most demons use avatars and if you kill an avatar the mind just goes back to its real body and can be summoned again. avatars are quicker and easier and take alot less magic to summon in than a real demons body but they are much weaker.

    thats why archimonde is dead for good because he was summoned fully into azeroth.

    nathrezim are different though, they can only die on their home world nomatter what. even if they are fully summoned they will still be able to regenerate unless killed on their home planet.

    they could still use this excuse for illidan though since he looks alot like a nathrezim, they could say he became a pseudo nathrezim when he transformed and the rules now apply to him.
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    Man there are a lot of mixed views about illidan...a lot of theories also. Probably be easier if we took facts first from history before trying to toss opinions in his mindset.
    Like the whole vial thing. The game said he gave the vials to keal and vashj out of trust, in mop the lock quest( which for some reason none of you seem to think about) said he gave keal a vial for recreating his ppls sunwell, or atleast that is what illidan intended.

    Also zangarmarsh. After taking black temple the three kinda just went their seperate ways, and also vashj repeatly said she worked for illidan cause her queen wanted her to, and had her own assignment after that.so no well was planed,mal so the quest in zangarmarsh say they aren't doing this for illidan.

    I have nothing for the orcs mostly seems like one of two things you can blame on illidan.

    The attack on shattrath actually came from keal'thas, not illidan. Literally
    Most of the dr evil things were done by illidans commanders, but since illidan was their leader it is reasonable for him to be blamed for everything. The worse thing he did was create a well in the black temple, offered demons freedom from the legion if the worked for him and to make all broken slaves. Also going by the lock quest, illidan didn't bend any demons to his will, he asked for loyalty in exchange freedom from the legion, and also fun fact the demons still return even with illidan meant to be dead. Soooo yeah there is a nice tidbit for you.




    Now about stuff before Outland. Illidan before the craziness was not addicted to power he was addicted to glory for his people, these two just kinda went hand and hand. And in wc3 the things that lead him were set up against him. He was order of clearing all felwood with a small unit, yes he was tricked and used but he also wanted to complete his mission , he did this and was rewarded with exile.

    There is more but still thought I try and clear a few things.

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    Why can't people stay dead just for once in this game?
    Because we are running out of warcraft 3 villains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    i think illidan would be a bit apprehensive about working with the brother who left him in the dirt and exiled him.
    Good thing said brother isn't really aligned with the Night Elves in WoW. Tyrande is the Night Elf leader, Malfurion is an arrogant pontiff fancying himself better than mere mortals and as a result above them and incapable of comprehending their woes.
    That's pretty much a contradiction, since much of what made him an anti-hero is that he was really only firmly aligned to himself - and power.
    No, he had the grit to do things idiots like Malfurion refused to do that had to be done. If Illidan were around and tasked with guarding Ashenvale, Orcs would shit themselves stupid even thinking about setting foot in the forest.
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by a77 View Post
    Because we are running out of warcraft 3 villains.
    except if he came back he wouldnt be a villain. bringing him back just to kill him again would be beyond pointless
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  15. #115
    Demon hunter faction versus Warden faction. Similar to Aldor/Scryers. Led by Maiev on one side, Illidan on the other.


    I would love dis. (But I'd still like to kill her)
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  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Good thing said brother isn't really aligned with the Night Elves in WoW. Tyrande is the Night Elf leader, Malfurion is an arrogant pontiff fancying himself better than mere mortals and as a result above them and incapable of comprehending their woes.
    No, he had the grit to do things idiots like Malfurion refused to do that had to be done. If Illidan were around and tasked with guarding Ashenvale, Orcs would shit themselves stupid even thinking about setting foot in the forest.
    i think malfurion would attempt to reconcile with him (his short story said he regretted what he did to illidan and feels responsible) but i think illidan wouldnt accept, i think illidan would only work with him when/if he had to and any communication would be done through tyrande or demon hunter envoys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bathory View Post
    Demon hunter faction versus Warden faction. Similar to Aldor/Scryers. Led by Maiev on one side, Illidan on the other.


    I would love dis. (But I'd still like to kill her)
    or a demon hunter faction and a black harvest faction.

    i think that would be equally cool, side with either the warlocks or the demon hunters
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  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    i think illidan would be a bit apprehensive about working with the brother who left him in the dirt and exiled him.
    My theory is Tyrande's death will reconcile the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    i think malfurion would attempt to reconcile with him (his short story said he regretted what he did to illidan and feels responsible) but i think illidan wouldnt accept, i think illidan would only work with him when/if he had to and any communication would be done through tyrande or demon hunter envoys
    Defense of Night Elf land and interests hasn't been anything Malfurion is invested in or appears to care about so naturally Illidan wouldn't *have* to deal with Malfurion if his goals were as such. Less Malfurion the better imo.

    My theory is Tyrande's death will reconcile the two.
    Tyrande isn't going to die.
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  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Tyrande isn't going to die.
    Source for that? I see it as a perfectly valid possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pebbleton View Post
    Why can't people stay dead just for once in this game?
    Why can't people accept the fact that it's a fantasy game where both villains and heroes can get resurrected? It's not a new concept, it's happened since vanilla and it will continue to happen.

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