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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    I agree! *looks at the chain of severed orc heads dragging on the ground behind her nightsaber* more angry dumb orc cannon fodder plz!
    That pretty funny statement given the night elves, using they "brilliant" tactics in both azshara, and ashenvale border (i will storm fortified wall with sword lul) are pretty much biggest cannon fodder in game so far

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    I like a lot about him and how he brought Horde vs Alliance content for our pleasure. What I don't like about him is how hamfisted his development has been.
    Now you see it. Now you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    That pretty funny statement given the night elves, using they "brilliant" tactics in both azshara, and ashenvale border (i will storm fortified wall with sword lul) are pretty much biggest cannon fodder in game so far
    Oh it's not confined to WoW, it's happened since they were implemented in WCIII.

    The Night Elves: "Orcs cutting our trees, attack!"
    *Warsong Clan destroys 3 Night Elven Camps and chops their ancients down for Lumber*
    The Night Elves: "Cenarius Help us! The Orcs are cutting down our forest!"
    *Warsong Clan makes a tactical retreat, drinks some Demon Blood and kills not only more Night Elves, but their Demigod as well*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    I agree! *looks at the chain of severed orc heads dragging on the ground behind her nightsaber* more angry dumb orc cannon fodder plz!
    As a total lover of orcs (jokes)...I'm totally ok with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    That pretty funny statement given the night elves, using they "brilliant" tactics in both azshara, and ashenvale border (i will storm fortified wall with sword lul) are pretty much biggest cannon fodder in game so far
    You must not have seen the endless trail of orc corpses going into Raynewood Retreat? Or the way Orcs charged into the traps in A Little Patience. Or the dead orc parade in SoO.

    The Night Elves: "Orcs cutting our trees, attack!"
    *Warsong Clan destroys 3 Night Elven Camps and chops their ancients down for Lumber*
    The Night Elves: "Cenarius Help us! The Orcs are cutting down our forest!"
    *Warsong Clan makes a tactical retreat, drinks some Demon Blood and kills not only more Night Elves, but their Demigod as well*.
    How about that Warsong Lumber camp? Oh wait what Warsong Lumbercamp? It was blown up along with all the green garbage inside of it
    Also tactical retreat? Is that what orcs call a fucking rout? lmao
    orcs are the dumbest pieces of shit xD
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    I appreciate Garrosh because he's secretly trying to protect us from the Burning Legion by selling his soul and the Horde for power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralejeeze View Post
    I appreciate Garrosh because he's secretly trying to protect us from the Burning Legion by selling his soul and the Horde for power.
    Just like good ol' papa Gul'dan!

    If one wants to restore the Horde to its initial glory and beyond, why not secretly turn to the founder of the first Horde for inspiration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    How about that Warsong Lumber camp? Oh wait what Warsong Lumbercamp? It was blown up along with all the green garbage inside of it
    Also tactical retreat? Is that what orcs call a fucking rout? lmao
    orcs are the dumbest pieces of shit xD
    How about those trees you were defending originally, where are they now? OH! That's right, on the ground rotting, because we cut down more than we needed. whoops!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    You must not have seen the endless trail of orc corpses going into Raynewood Retreat? Or the way Orcs charged into the traps in A Little Patience. Or the dead orc parade in SoO.


    How about that Warsong Lumber camp? Oh wait what Warsong Lumbercamp? It was blown up along with all the green garbage inside of it
    Also tactical retreat? Is that what orcs call a fucking rout? lmao
    orcs are the dumbest pieces of shit xD
    Wow, didn't think it was possible, but you blindly hate orcs more than I blindly like garrosh.

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    I liked Garrosh and wish that he had not "gone evil" as he suddenly has in the last few patches.

    Having a reckless, belligerent leader of the Horde made their faction interesting, and made me want to fight the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Oh please, humans lack the punch. I mean they could put orcs in camps again (that would be hilarous) but lets face it, blizzard lacks balls to do that.

    I really hope that alliance will get something to compensate. One idea is to have night elves to plant that tree from harry potter that beat people shit up in middle of orgrimmar. It would be literally fist bumping (on citizens of org face).
    That Idea is hilarious, oh please make it happen ;P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    How can you appreciate a guy who systematically destroyed the horde as it was, who killed one leader and tried to kill another, who spits in the faces of every non-orc out there, and even goes as far to say in the 5.4 trailer all other races are not part of his horde.

    If you appreciate him for being an asshole, thats fine, by all means do so, maybe theres people who likes assholes and so find that connection to garrosh, like twilight fans find a connection to soulless deadpans like bella. But people really need to stop deluding themselves that he's something he isn't.

    I liked Garrosh because he made for good lore. Thrall just sat around and did nothing, and when he finally did something, he became SuperOrc through an incredibly lazy character arc. When Garrosh went on the throne shit was finally going down, and that's what makes one hooked on lore. I couldn't care how much of a nasty fellow he'd be to hang around, I don't have to meet the guy personally, I just want to see interesting lore happen, and for once something interesting actually happened, thanks to Garrosh. His character arc has literally been the one and only interesting character arc in WoW, simply because he was never butchered. Sure it has been inconsistent, especially here towards the end, but that's nothing compared to the mess that was the Lich King's arc, Thrall's arc or Deathwing's "arc". Garrosh was the one interesting character in WoW, because while he was an ass, we're just here to observe the action, and it was fun seeing him spread chaos around while being an asshole. People need to stop taking it so seriously that they hate Garrosh because they believe they can't share a cup of coffee with him, he was simply fun to observe, and he made for some hectic lore moments, without him there'd basically be no Alliance vs Horde moments in the game.

    The points you listed is exactly the reason I like the guy. He (sort of) killed a leader who had done nothing for 6 years, he put another leader's life in jeopardy, and he turns the Horde inside out. Shit is happening, and it gets us as players pumped, it's a lot better than going to Black Temple to kill Illidan just because, or going to ICC to kill Arthas just to see him lose in the same expansion for the 5th time. Hating Garrosh is exactly what people want people to do, and it's been very successful as you've proven, now you want to go kill Garrosh, nobody wanted to kill Illidan because people actually liked the character, they've tried their darned best to make no one like Garrosh, and it has worked for the most part.

    It's gonna be sad to see him go and see the lore return to being the same clichéd stuff Blizzard has always done with WoW though, but hey, it'd be stupid to have Garrosh keep on going. Still, I'm gonna miss actually being invested in the lore, we're probably just gonna go back to the same lame plotholes that barely could be called stories that were in the past expansions.
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    I despised Garrosh in the past, but when they made him what he is now, I started to like him. This "True Horde" sentiment, the blood thirst, his speech to Thrall about how Thrall is no longer an orc... It feels very Old Horde-ish, before Thrall and all of that.

    The Horde finally felt badass again. I'd much rather have been a part of The Old Horde than Thrall's Horde.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    funny thing about perma death in wow..
    Sorry - How many times have we killed Onixya? Who says Garrosh might not come back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooGaming View Post
    Sorry - How many times have we killed Onixya? Who says Garrosh might not come back!
    We've killed Onyxia twice (Original, and the Cataclysm revival by Nef.) The revamp of the dungeon did not count as it was considered the same encounter, and lorewise that was still the first time we killed her. Kael'thas has "kind of" died twice. Anub'arak has died twice. Uh... I can't think of anyone who's made it to three, but there's a bunch of characters who've been revived.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooGaming View Post
    Sorry - How many times have we killed Onixya? Who says Garrosh might not come back!
    We didn't kill onyxia, Varian did. And then her brother took her decapitated head, tried to bring her back with elecricity (oh god that was stupid) and she stayed perma dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    How can you appreciate a guy who systematically destroyed the horde as it was, who killed one leader and tried to kill another, who spits in the faces of every non-orc out there, and even goes as far to say in the 5.4 trailer all other races are not part of his horde.
    It wasn't Garrosh that caused this. The other races betrayed him, that's what caused the rip. After being betrayed he has all the right to spit in their faces.
    Garrosh was supposed to have advisors, remember? Not backstabbers that turned on him at every possible situation.

    Garrosh gives orders, Vo'jin bitches at him and threatens to kill him. Then later Vol'jin apologized to Thrall, but not to Garrosh. Later he bitches and threatens Garrosh again, all the while not following orders because he thinks his own opinion far outweighs that of his superior, so his insubordination coupled with his constant threats to the Warchief got him the assassination attempt. Then the rest of the Darkspear learn of this and go against the Orcs, which results in the Orcs putting them on lockdown.

    Then there is Sylvanas, who is just happy to use the plague even though Garrosh told her not to. He was right to call her a bitch, because that's what she is. The other races are too weak to call Sylvanas out on her crimes.

    And then there is Lor'themar, the one who was going to defect to the Alliance behind the Warchief's back and suddenly calls Garrosh a traitor. What a hypocrit.

    Heck, Baine is even straight out lying about his father's death at the hands of Garrosh. It wasn't Garrosh' fault, yet he blames him for it. He was happy to jump on the hate Garrosh bandwagon.

    Oh, and then there is Thrall. Who knew that Garrosh was like his father and who knew that Garrosh would be an aggressive leader. Yet when he learns that Garrosh is going to war with the Alliance he suddenly loses his shit? I thought he appointed Garrosh for exactly that reason, the Horde needed a Warchief that was willing to go to war. And then when Thrall comes back he just expects everyone to automatically assume he's in control again? What a retard.

    No, Garrosh was right to call the other races out for what they are. I think 95% of Garrosh' actions can be justified. The only thing that crosses the line is his dabbling with Old God powers, but I think that is out of character as he has shown to be against anything unnatural before, like demonic power or the plague.

    Anyway, on top of this all. It was Garrosh and Varian who brought the WAR back in WARcraft. Something people admitted they missed since vanilla. I liked being with Garrosh and going to collect some Alliance skulls. I'm sure Alliance people liked cracking Horde skulls as well. This is the core of their franchise, Orcs vs Humans, Horde vs Alliance. This whole working together to fight a common foe has been done to death, it works occasionally but it has just become too common of a theme. I want to go back to the true meaning of the franchise, and if Garrosh is the one on Horde side that delivers then I'm with him.

    I also expected full scale war, because that's what we were promised for Mists of Pandaria. But I haven't seen it. Patch 5.1 is full scale war? Don't make me laugh, it was just a few daily quests and the Horde and Alliance having a small skirmish at best. And after 5.1 the Horde players aren't even attacking the Alliance anymore, they're fighting themselves. How is that the Horde/Alliance war we've been promised?

    Bottom line for me is, Garrosh simply embodies everything I like about Warcraft. Or should I say liked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everything Nice View Post
    The Horde finally felt badass again. I'd much rather have been a part of The Old Horde than Thrall's Horde.
    Same here. Thrall's Horde is basically just green humans. I liked it in Warcraft 3, but I've grown to despise it in WoW. Orcs aren't meant to be diplomatic, it just doesn't fit them.

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    I bet if gul'dan was a character in world of warcraft (instead of being in warcrafts past lore) he'd form fans like garrosh did, and with his child sacrifice and stealing of young orcs youth, working for kil'jaeden and all the evil shit he did, you'd still have a demographic of players who thinks he's the best thing to happen to the story, and even want him to be warchief.

    such people should never be allowed to have children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post

    Bottom line for me is, Garrosh simply embodies everything I like about Warcraft. Or should I say liked.
    And yet he's going to now die and everything he built will die with him by the rest of the horde and alliance.

    Wow.. you really picked the worst horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    We didn't kill onyxia, Varian did. And then her brother took her decapitated head, tried to bring her back with elecricity (oh god that was stupid) and she stayed perma dead.
    Its so annoying that he gets the kill :*(

    Least I get to loot garrys head in a few weeks (shameless LFR XD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    Its so annoying that he gets the kill :*(

    Least I get to loot garrys head in a few weeks (shameless LFR XD)
    odds are it will claim the lore characters killed garrosh and we were just the grunts.

    which, honestly, I'd far more prefer. Garrosh hasn't done anything to our playable characters that gives us reason to want to kill him, unlike the lore characters.

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