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  1. #81
    I still believe that Blizzard should have kept him like he was in Cata. He had the potential to be a good Horde character, but instead they decided to butcher him... Probably because they didn’t have a fitting villain for a pvp-themed xpack. Hell, it could’ve easily been Varian as well if they had wanted so.

    I really liked Garrosh as a character (that is until he became bonkers). Sure he was pretty much an ass to other Horde members, but I think they never went too far with it in Cata.

    All in all, Garrosh’s new character “development” left me pretty much a bad taste in my mouth similar to Deathwing, who I think was another wasted character (as a villain, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist View Post
    He had the potential to be a good Horde character, but instead they decided to butcher him... Probably because they didn’t have a fitting villain for a pvp-themed xpack. Hell, it could’ve easily been Varian as well if they had wanted so.
    It's all invention. They had in mind what to do with Garrosh and about the "length" of his reign all along. They only had to decide in which expansion develop the last piece of his story, and to them MoP turned out to be the more fitting.

    Beliving he could be handled differently it's fine. Beliving they had at some point some greater plan than this for him is not.

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    I appreciate that he's going to be dead before too long. Also that his model is freaking awesome, and he's amusing in the cinematics he's in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist View Post
    All in all, Garrosh’s new character “development” left me pretty much a bad taste in my mouth similar to Deathwing, who I think was another wasted character (as a villain, of course).
    How could they have made Deathwing a hero? Or even an anti-hero? He was a villain since his appearance in Warcraft 2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlarStormbringer View Post
    How could they have made Deathwing a hero? Or even an anti-hero? He was a villain since his appearance in Warcraft 2...
    As a villain. In that sense I think he was a wasted character in Cata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel Tyrael View Post
    The fact that you consider him ''worse'' than them doesn't mean anything.

    He still is the Warchief.
    It is not a matter of what I consider, is a matter of what he objectively did, which is spitting in the face of Thrall and everything he worked for. And to be honest, it's not excatly what you should do towards the one that trusted you so much to giving you the very mantle of Warchief.

    And nope, he's not anymore the Warchief of the Horde, he's the Warchief of the True Horde, a suffix that Garrosh himself and his loyalists created, and I'm not clearly part of it indeed. So no, he's not the Warchief of the Horde, he's just the Warchief of his tiny faction of zealot maniacs.

    Garrosh already mocked Thrall before he was Warchief (see Scourge invasion of Orgrimmar)
    He almost always acted disrespectful/arrogant (see his campaign in Northrend)
    and he was always reckless after hearing of his father's deeds.
    But all of this happened before Thrall gave him the mantle of Warchief. And until that, despite his pride, his recklessness and his arrogance, his hunger of validation made him always in need of Thrall's approval and appreciation, like is shown in Heart of War and The Shattering. And in the latter novel, aswell in in-game event of the Elemental Unrest, he receives the position of Warchief by Thrall, full of fears and doubts, and making this promise:

    "I will not fail you, Warchief. I will lead as well as I can, and I will consult with the advisors you suggest. I know what a tremendous honor you do me, and I will strive to be worthy of it."

    He stepped from the "provisional replacement" during Thrall's absence, a replacement granted with misplaced trust that Garrosh would have listened his advisors, to twisting the Horde in a mix of Old and Dark Horde, shattering the whole structure of the New Horde and tearing apart all the orcish alliances. This is not about what I like or belive, but about what Garrosh undeniably did.

    And Garrosh actually built many things.
    The most obvious one is Orgrimmar, which is now massive and heavily defended city, instead of the wooden slum that it was under Thrall.
    You said one of the few constructive things he made, started with a good intention initially (no more "inflammable" stuff in Orgrimmar) but ended with it becoming a military fortress and a symbol of conquest and dominion (which could have been able to serve Garrosh's purposes, like the one in the next patch).
    Too bad that such a thing remains quite frivolous compared to what Garrosh "destroyed" and sacrificed until now, both in material and symbolic terms.
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    Its amazing how dumb or ignorant some people can be, in that they didn't learn anything from this cautionary tale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    I appreciate garrosh for knocking thrall's green ass across the room in 5.4.

    I also appreciate him for trying to kill vol'jin. I hope that throat cut made his "Please don't go alliance! We neeeeeed you!" sound really raspy.
    I'm so gonna think about you each week when I'm killing him in LFR or flexi
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    Garrosh..... if only the writers didn't make him go apeshit on his fellow Horde races, he'd be the best warchief ever.

    He sure was a lot more interesing as the warchief then Thrall ever was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist View Post
    I still believe that Blizzard should have kept him like he was in Cata. He had the potential to be a good Horde character, but instead they decided to butcher him... Probably because they didn’t have a fitting villain for a pvp-themed xpack. Hell, it could’ve easily been Varian as well if they had wanted so.

    I really liked Garrosh as a character (that is until he became bonkers). Sure he was pretty much an ass to other Horde members, but I think they never went too far with it in Cata.

    All in all, Garrosh’s new character “development” left me pretty much a bad taste in my mouth similar to Deathwing, who I think was another wasted character (as a villain, of course).
    He did seem to go from a promising, strong leader to genocidal maniac rather quickly.

    If it had been Varian at least we'd get less whining about the expansion being too Horde-centric. (And a pretty cool twist to boot.)

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    GARROSH HELLSCREAM FOR THE WIN!!!, YET AS TIME FADES, NOT ALL KINGS, WARCHIEFS, LORDS OR GODS CAN RULE FOREVER (it appears :<)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Its amazing how dumb or ignorant some people can be, in that they didn't learn anything from this cautionary tale.
    No no, we get it - kill the trolls and tauren sooner. Will totally keep that in mind for next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    Warchief Gallywix, am I right everyone?
    Fixed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionics View Post
    He did seem to go from a promising, strong leader to genocidal maniac rather quickly.

    If it had been Varian at least we'd get less whining about the expansion being too Horde-centric. (And a pretty cool twist to boot.)
    I would agree with that, if only I would have seen somewhere anything "promising" about him. All that has been showed of him is how he wasn't fit at all for such a complex political position. And I wouldn't give to him an army aswell in all honesty, considering his effective but pretty suicidial/reckless/not caring tactics.

    About Varian, the biggest difference between the two is that Varian was a moronic douchebag mostly for his state of mind, pretty lunatic and unstable after the whole Lo'Gosh/Varian split and reversing process. Garrosh was a moronic douchebag because...well, that was just him and stop. It was only logical so that Varian would have been able to solve his "identity crisis" mess, while Garrosh suddenly became the Warchief of the entire Horde...not excatly what he needed to keep in check all his dangerous "red flags", like arrogance and pride.

    But hey, sees Varian as a raid boss and the Alliance's playerbase reaction about it would have been crazy entertaiment, I have to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Its amazing how dumb or ignorant some people can be, in that they didn't learn anything from this cautionary tale.

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    I'm so gonna think about you each week when I'm killing him in LFR or flexi
    I learned something from that tale !!! Blizzard needs to hire proffesional writer for next expansion. Or at least feed current one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    why should I, I've had to put up with that same bs aimed my some of my fav characters, its only right I get to make it clear what a tool Garrosh is to those who appreciate him.

    Fact is, your people choose a bad character to follow behind, yet can't take it when that bad character meets whats coming to him, some even going as far to find scapegoats to try and justify it. And its worth pointing that out, seen how you honestly thought he'd get to carry on this way.

    Try being humble next time, you want to like a bad guy, thats fine, but take the punches that comes from it.
    Because all you do is whine about Garrosh, and can't seem to accept that some people think he's an awesome character. Get over it, or at least take your whining to a thread that's made for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    Because all you do is whine about Garrosh, and can't seem to accept that some people think he's an awesome character. Get over it, or at least take your whining to a thread that's made for it.
    No I do infact accept that people think that of him, I just think such people are extremely poor judges of character.
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    [QUOTE=Mokaproductionist;22319420Hell, it could’ve easily been Varian as well if they had wanted so.
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    Not as of Wolfheart I think. In the novels Blizz has been building up Varian becoming more heroic and getting his problems sorted out, while conversely having Garrosh fall prey to his flaws. As of Wrath, yeah, but IMO not as of Cata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    No I do infact accept that people think that of him, I just think such people are extremely poor judges of character.
    Its a Garrosh appreciation thread. You don't appreciate him so gtfo and hump thralls leg elsewhere




    OT: he's a bad-ass. Its a video game, not real life. Garrosh is bad-ass, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    No I do infact accept that people think that of him, I just think such people are extremely poor judges of character.
    Trassk. It's a game. Get over yourself. Characters like Garrosh add a much needed depth to it.
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    one thing I can say about garrosh. blizzard wasted a damn good opportunity of acknowledging player behavior into the game:

    during the fight against him, someone should have knock him back, making he fall with his face on a campfire, giving him horrific burn scars.

    why? remember the "basic campfire for warchief" campaign when garrosh was revealed to become the warchief on cataclysm? a nod to that in-game would have been soooo epic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Crusader Absalom View Post
    Its a Garrosh appreciation thread. You don't appreciate him so gtfo and hump thralls leg elsewhere




    OT: he's a bad-ass. Its a video game, not real life. Garrosh is bad-ass, plain and simple.
    oh but I do appreciate him. I appreciate how blizzard invented such a tool that it allowed other character development.

    What, you think garrosh should be appreciated for being nice, or a good leader, or your best friend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    Trassk. It's a game. Get over yourself. Characters like Garrosh add a much needed depth to it.
    Oh. nah I think I'll keep highlighting how you have bad judgements of character, and how you keep flogging the dead horse with trying to pretend Garrosh's 'now bad guy' development was forced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    Garrosh..... if only the writers didn't make him go apeshit on his fellow Horde races, he'd be the best warchief ever.

    He sure was a lot more interesing as the warchief then Thrall ever was
    Thrall saved the horde from oblivion, built it up and made it strong.

    Garrosh has systematically broken the horde.

    People keep saying 'best warchief' when they seem to have there wires crossed. No, Garrosh was not the 'best warchief', all Garrosh was, was a character used to feed your guilty pleasure for what a jerk he was.
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