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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Especially considering that GKN is a British aerospace manufacturer.
    Yeah this whole "Blame the USA" thing is getting out of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    If the US is able to dictate the policy in your country, then it because you have a weak government.
    It is not the fault of the USA or anyone else but your own politicians.
    We aren't even dictating it. They're doing it all on their own. Apparently blaming the USA is just the cool thing to do these days.
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    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    If any portion of the class contains information or technology sourced from the US and it deamed to fall under ITAR restrictions, the US can dictate to the company or country that uses it how it may be used. That is a long standing reality and we are not the only country to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    http://www.thelocal.se/50086/20130905/

    So, anyone that thinks USA shold be able to dictate who can get in at a school/programme/firm in another country than their own? This seems to be slightly retarded. Ok, more than slightly - it's very retarded.
    What's being dictated is whether the student can have a work placement in a specific Aerospace firm, and either it's British regulations that are causing it (as GKN Aerospace is a UK company), or their multinational status and offices in the US require them to abide by US regulations as well.

    Either way, yes, the Swedish educational system should not have the authority to overrule international trade and employment regulations. The same thing happens all the time in other venues.

    Because let's be clear; GKN Aerospace is a military aviations tech supplier. It's not like he was denied a position at Dunder-Mifflin Paper or something.

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    wouldnt it be racism to deny someone something, purely based on where they were born?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitbrandir View Post
    wouldnt it be racism to deny someone something, purely based on where they were born?
    Technically it would be something like natalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Technically it would be something like natalism.
    But when it comes to national security I can see why the DOD probably doesn't hire many Iranians.
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    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meme Arrows to green text View Post
    So you don't see a problem with the US preventing a kid in sweden from getting an education
    Except the US isn't. A company wants to do business with/in the US is refusing to accept a student to abide by US regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitbrandir View Post
    wouldnt it be racism to deny someone something, purely based on where they were born?
    Only if you were making the decision based on ethnic group, rather than (as in this case) birth citizenship in a formerly hostile nation (and if he emigrated 13 years ago, his family left while it was still under Hussein).

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    I sense quite some double standards here now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    I sense quite some double standards here now.
    No, that's actually just the smell of bullshit emanating from the original post.
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    I sense misunderstandings on what is actually going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    No, that's actually just the smell of bullshit emanating from the original post.
    That too.

    I don't see why a firm that does business (and wants to) with the USA having to abide by US trade regulations when doing business in the USA is inflammatory.

    But this grasping at straws in order to blame the USA is hilarious.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    I sense quite some double standards here now.
    How? It's a company not the US that is making this decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamingmuscle View Post
    How? It's a company not the US that is making this decision.
    No, but they adhere to the US regulations and as such discriminate against someone based on his ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    No, but they adhere to the US regulations and as such discriminate against someone based on his ethnicity.
    Because they do business with the USA.

    This is basic industry knowledge.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Because they do business with the USA.
    So it's totally okay to discriminate because it's the USA you're dealing with. Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    No, but they adhere to the US regulations and as such discriminate against someone based on his ethnicity.
    No, they discriminate against someone because he's a security risk, and they're a militiary aviations supplier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    No, they discriminate against someone because he's a security risk, and they're a militiary aviations supplier.
    How do they know he's a security risk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    So it's totally okay to discriminate because it's the USA you're dealing with. Got it.
    Nobody has made a value judgment over whether or not it is 'ok' to discriminate.

    What is being contested is your blaming of the US for this rather than the British company operating in Sweden who chooses to abide by US regulations.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooneye View Post
    So it's totally okay to discriminate because it's the USA you're dealing with. Got it.
    So military firms should hire workers from hostile nations?

    What kind of logic is this?
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Both of those links don't provide any evidence. They make unsubstantiated statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    What is being contested is your blaming of the US for this rather than the British company operating in Sweden who chooses to abide by US regulations.
    I'm blaming the US for having such regulations in the first place that are discriminatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    So military firms should hire workers from hostile nations?

    What kind of logic is this?
    Because everyone from x country is hostile towards USA, paranoia?

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