So it's ok for people who don't like the ads to just leave and not give them ad revenue, but it's bad if they block the ads and don't give them ad revenue?
They don't get the money no matter the situation and there isn't a cost for the blocker to watch the content. So the only reason there could be for it being bad for blockers to watch is the fact that they gain something out of it.
Internet Content Providers compete with each other FIERCELY for views. It's why there are trends and bandwagons. I guarantee no matter who they are there is a perfect alternative people could switch to. There is no threat in telling people that if they use adblocker they should go away or blacklist them from your content cause they can easily get it somewhere else.
This kind of attitude with quite literally destroy the careers of content providers who follow this principle and boost the careers of the ones who don't.
If 40% of viewers use adblock telling them to GTFO will wreck your fanbase. Contrary to popular belief all publicity is NOT good publicity.
Honestly? I scoff at people who ever say that i'm jealous of youtubers. That's a HORRIBLE job to have. The only way you make a living is jumping on something early and hoping it takes off so that you make a name for yourself or you can pander to the base of 12-16 year old males. Mess up once and you become irrelevant forever no matter how popular you were.
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I wouldn't give two craps about ads if they weren't loaded with spyware, viruses, or phishing programs. I don't mind watching safe ads before videos, but popups and crap can just go to hell.
I would really like to know how is anyone going to stop adblockers without killing the hole plugin system for browsers (even then it would be easy for most people to block adds). Trying to stop people from blocking your adds is the exact same war game publishers are having against pirating (and look how well that war is going).
The core problem is that internet was meant to be free, people are trying to control it (and they usually want you to see that) and that makes some "rebel". This is a losing war because we have two sides here, one that don't like to have their "freedom" diminished and one that loves to prove that they can actually raise and defeat your challenge (and trust me, it is fun to break a lock not for what it is inside... but to prove you can actually break something that was meant to keep you out)
I could only take about 45 seconds of that response video. When I heard "There is no justification for using AdBlock" and "If you use AdBlock you are a leech" I couldn't take any more.
If these sites want people to stop using AdBlock, they need to invest money into making being advertised to less frustrating. Ads on Youtube that are as long as the videos themselves (longer in a lot of cases) is not winning you any support. Banner ads with Trojan auto execute script built in, also not winning you any support. Obnoxiously loud auto-run ads on every page, not winning you support. Full page wrap ads that bog the loading down to a crawl, not winning you support. Obnoxious banners flashing neon colors enough to cause seizures, not winning you any support.
If they want people to not mind being marketed to, they need to come up with less intrusive methods.
As to the first video, I wouldn't support that shit at all. More people using AdBlock would exacerbate the backlash. I don't tell anyone about AdBlock anymore. If someone gets as sick of ads as I have, they will find it for themselves.
Eventually Adblock or any similar service will evolve into a more direct installed application that diverts the only possible way ads can tell if you "Viewed" it.
Making it impossible to tell if it was seen or not. Which will then force companies to create more intrusive ads in order to maintain the status quo, which will exacerbate the problem, which will lead to an endless cycle of Adblock updating and Corporations making ads worse in order to beat it and leaving the viewers and providers stuck in the middle getting shafted by the Corporations.
I don't care if they're not making money at all. Let some other chump foot the bill, I'm going to keep using Adblock.
Paladin Bash has spoken.
I'm surprised the guy who made the video response didn't run an add half way through. Well, maybe he did and I just didn't see it (see what I did there).
What drove me to install adblock - I was watching episodes of South Park on their website, and the commercial volume was hiked up WAY TOO LOUD. It was startling and unpleasant. I went to the forums to complain and noticed others before me had already brought the issue up. Someone replied "Just download Adblock", and for me, the rest is history.
I wouldn't worry too much about 'AdBlock' becoming defunct.
Think of the situation as similar to piracy, in the sense that while there are a a few people around the world constantly looking for ways to better secure their content, there are millions more looking for ways around it. They're simply outmanned, and will always be when it comes to the internet. Even if it's not AdBlock you're using in the future, there will always be something.
Just as an aside, I can't remember if I mentioned in my last post that there are a few things that I have/will contribute to that offer 'premium' services at a small cost. This topic actually pushed me to do something I was considering, though, and contribute $50 to a YouTuber who is accepting donations to pay for his wife's cancer treatment and medication. Maybe it was because he didn't use loud, flashing banners and try to invade my system that I was so disposed to help out.
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Kids these days just want everything for free. Then they moan about how high the price of things have become ("How can a cinema ticket cost so much!? I mean; I've been downloading films and TV series for free from torrent sites for year but I still want cheap cinema tickets damn it!").
It's sickening really. You won't sit through a few adverts but still want everything for nothing and want it now. You disgust me.
Keep using ad block and all you'll see is less and less available good content from people trying to make a living out of making videos. Then you'll moan that there's nothing good on the internet to watch.
I live in Australia, and I think our country has a reputation for having the highest rate of piracy in the world (or at least, we're up there). It's no coincidence that we've always had to wait days, weeks or months for the latest video games, movies and TV shows to reach our shores, so they've had a chance to be played elsewhere first. It's a standing insult that we have to wait longer than everyone else to experience content, especially with the prevalence of 'episode recaps', reviews, spoilers and other content instantly available, and often easy to accidentally stumble across, on the internet.
The cycle of contempt did not start with the customers, it started with the cynical content providers trying to impose unacceptable conditions on people who had an easy alternative to paying for it.
Adblockers have not and will not cause the death of content. Look at Kickstarter, and how much people are willing to 'kick in' to a project that appeals to them. If anything, funding streams like this have diversified and broadened the capacity for independent developers to provide interesting content that people actually want, and ad revenue had no part in it.
Personally i think anyone that uses the internet on a frequent bases and doesn't have adblock installed is a fool, if anyone wants to subject themselves willingly to pointless crap invading commercials just to support some websites financially then i would choose not to have that website in the first place.
None of the sites I view that have ads could I not live without either. The good thing is, the sites I depend upon for things and check every day don't have ads anyway, so the rest is just filler.
Last edited by IRunSoFarAway; 2013-09-10 at 09:51 AM.
I don't know but isn't there a way to make sure pages don't know if you use adblock? How are they supposed to know if you see them or not? There will be stealth adblock soon i guess if normal adblocking won't work. Like sending back reply yeah i downloaded that and i displayed that but instead it won't display it.