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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    RG3 being quite the dbag in the post game interview. Still wont step up and say, "Yep I sucked, it was me, I fucked up" nah it was a team loss, team failure... I hope he loses that C badge.
    I dunno. I saw bodies on RG3 every snap. Though producing 9 yards in the entire 2nd half is kinda past the point of abysmal.

    Some questions have to be asked, and this time Shanahan can't defer to "oh shit, nfl hates us because we went over salary cap." This is a team that made the playoffs last year.

    Speaking of which, that "re-sod'ed field" still looked like dog shit.

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    Yeah I was wondering if they were playing in Oakland in Oct that field looked like such shit, but then it didnt have a baseball diamond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    With me not having followed RG3 much, am I completely wrong in this? I mean with his attitude and locker room issue the past week big in the press, and his apparent demand to not have his bad plays shown, it feels to me like he's showing all the wrong things you want to see from a possible franchise QB in his early developement.
    Shanahan denied that RG3 requested that they not show the bad plays during film review, so there's likely no truth in that rumor. Shanahan hasn't hesitated to tell the truth when it comes to RG3 in the past, so I'm guessing he wouldn't have lied to protect him.

    RG3 has not been good this season, but he's far from the reason that the Redskins are 3-8. The salary cap penalties and other bad contracts have left the roster void of talent surrounding him. Think of it like this: Outside of RG3 and Garcon, name 1 other offensive player who would start for most other offenses in the NFL?
    Trent Williams is a possibility, but he looked pretty awful tonight. Some will say Alfred Morris, but he is a system running back (albeit a great one) who lacks explosive playmaking ability and wouldn't excel outside of the zone blocking scheme. The fact that you can only point to those 2 guys as starters on most teams shows how devoid of talent this offense is.

    I also think people are looking for things to criticize RG3 for at this point. It comes with the territory when you are losing, so it's not surprising. However, the only criticism I have for him is that he's not carrying a team largely devoid of talent, like he did last year when he took the Redskins to the playoffs on one leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    I think RG3 is dumped next year. Shanahan's contract is up soon, they dont bring him back with a terrible losing season. They get a new Coach, and if hes not a read option guy, say hes a classic pocket passing guy, then Kirk Cousins becomes the starting QB. Their backup is actually quite good, so if RG3 can't grow as a leader and player, well new coach new program new QB starting.
    You really think that IF they replace the Shanahans, they aren't going to do it with a guy who believes in RG3? Snyder didn't trade 2 first round draft picks to draft a guy to give up on him after 2 years. Think about it before you start the ridiculous Kirk Cousins talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    I dunno. I saw bodies on RG3 every snap. Though producing 9 yards in the entire 2nd half is kinda past the point of abysmal.

    Some questions have to be asked, and this time Shanahan can't defer to "oh shit, nfl hates us because we went over salary cap." This is a team that made the playoffs last year.

    Speaking of which, that "re-sod'ed field" still looked like dog shit.
    It was abysmal, but you can't run when you are down by multiple scores. And, you can't pass when they can drop 7 in coverage and get pressure in the face of the QB with a 4 man rush (every play no less). Put these two things together, and you get what we saw tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    I think RG3 is dumped next year. Shanahan's contract is up soon, they dont bring him back with a terrible losing season. They get a new Coach, and if hes not a read option guy, say hes a classic pocket passing guy, then Kirk Cousins becomes the starting QB. Their backup is actually quite good, so if RG3 can't grow as a leader and player, well new coach new program new QB starting.
    Heeeeeeeeeell no on dumping RG3. I say dump Shanahan, get a proper coach in there. Right now Kirk Cousins could get you a shit ton in trade value. More than RG3 right now.

    Its funny, because right now I am thinking of that quote from Tom Cable in the offseason. Basically said with Mike Vick in Atlanta they had no idea what they were doing and just turning Vick loose. You have to wonder if thats what Washington rode on last year. The 49ers are a team that practices with a very mobile QB every week. Thats why I've been saying the 49ers, Seahawks, and Redskins have the best chance to stop the QB draw (I'm growing to hate calling it read option).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    I say dump Shanahan, get a proper coach in there.
    Agreed, I don't think Shanahan has done enough to stay in his position this year.

    Right now Kirk Cousins could get you a shit ton in trade value.
    Not agreed. I think the upside of Kirk Cousins is WAY too big to trade him. With the beating RG3 takes, I liken him to Michael Vick, and a solid back up is a necessity, I feel.
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    [QUOTE=Shocking;23896953]Shanahan denied that RG3 requested that they not show the bad plays during film review, so there's likely no truth in that rumor. Shanahan hasn't hesitated to tell the truth when it comes to RG3 in the past, so I'm guessing he wouldn't have lied to protect him.

    RG3 has not been good this season, but he's far from the reason that the Redskins are 3-8. The salary cap penalties and other bad contracts have left the roster void of talent surrounding him. Think of it like this: Outside of RG3 and Garcon, name 1 other offensive player who would start for most other offenses in the NFL?
    Trent Williams is a possibility, but he looked pretty awful tonight. Some will say Alfred Morris, but he is a system running back (albeit a great one) who lacks explosive playmaking ability and wouldn't excel outside of the zone blocking scheme. The fact that you can only point to those 2 guys as starters on most teams shows how devoid of talent this offense is.


    Jordan Reed was looking pretty damn good leading up to his concussion.

    But yes, I agree with the Redskins lacking in talent. And the concept of a run first offense would need to be backed by a good defense. But with the Redskins having no defense (they sold out to stop the run tonight), you can't run that run first offense. And down by a lot, what's with the play calling of continuing to run the ball despite being stuffed nearly every play from the start of the game?

    I also agree that you put your future on RG3 and there is no way you are trading him or doing anything other than building a team around him. If they do feel the need to find a new coach, it will be a coach who believes in RG3 as the QB1 even if Cousins shows some brilliance during the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Agreed, I don't think Shanahan has done enough to stay in his position this year.



    Not agreed. I think the upside of Kirk Cousins is WAY too big to trade him. With the beating RG3 takes, I liken him to Michael Vick, and a solid back up is a necessity, I feel.
    And how many games has RG3 missed?

    If RG3 dies after trading Cousins, you still have sexy rexy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    And how many games has RG3 missed?

    If RG3 dies after trading Cousins, you still have sexy rexy.
    Well, that's true I guess, and for the pick(s) you could get for Cousins you could go a long way to shore up that abysmal defence they have right now. 29th ranked defense at the moment according to NFL.com.
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    http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/25/5...-of-nfl-on-fox

    Really cool video on the production of the NFL games you watch on a Sunday.

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    I think things will work out for Washington, they can fire Shanahan then rehire him as the mascot to deflect all the redskin racism talk.

    And people are high off their asses if they think RG3 is on the way out in year 2.
    You realize all this character nonsense is bullshit right? Are you new to this? Have you not seen this before? The only difference between Griffin and the other 2nd year QBs is he isn't winning. They talked endlessly about what a great kid he was leading up to the draft and as a rookie and now that has all changed? No, it hasn't, but the team is losing and terrible journalists have deadlines, and they love to flip-flop and shit all over the same guys they just showered in praise (Romo knows what I'm talking about).

    I will take this opportunity to complain about the tendency to give offensive RoY to the wrong guy all the time, I don't think he is washed up, but I'm seeing RG3 ending up next to Vince Young and Sam Bradford in the "oops" category.

    Also it would not surprise me to see power rankings people vote the Saints up to the #2 spot this week, since everybody else likes to lose and it gives them the chance to cream themselves over a #1 vs #2 prime time game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    I will take this opportunity to complain about the tendency to give offensive RoY to the wrong guy all the time, I don't think he is washed up, but I'm seeing RG3 ending up next to Vince Young and Sam Bradford in the "oops" category.
    I dont see how RG3 doing poor this season has any impact on him winning ROTY last season. His numbers were just better than Luck and Wilson, plain and simple. I think most people, even ones that gave ROTY to RG3 wouldve rather had Luck for the long term even back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    Also it would not surprise me to see power rankings people vote the Saints up to the #2 spot this week, since everybody else likes to lose and it gives them the chance to cream themselves over a #1 vs #2 prime time game.
    Lol, PFT's power rankings are interesting..



    Man the thanksgiving games are pretty awful this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibjabb View Post
    His numbers were just better than Luck and Wilson, plain and simple.
    that wasn't the way I saw it, just wanted to complain again and point to a recent trend of flameouts by the winners

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    Green Bay @ Detroit has the potential of being good, just to watch two teams with great offence and a poor D have a shoot off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Well, that's true I guess, and for the pick(s) you could get for Cousins you could go a long way to shore up that abysmal defence they have right now. 29th ranked defense at the moment according to NFL.com.
    Cousins isn't going anywhere, primarily because of concerns over RG3's health as well as the fact he's on a cheap rookie contract. Once his rookie contract is up, they may look to trade him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celdiseth View Post
    I also agree that you put your future on RG3 and there is no way you are trading him or doing anything other than building a team around him. If they do feel the need to find a new coach, it will be a coach who believes in RG3 as the QB1 even if Cousins shows some brilliance during the offseason.
    I'm not sure what direction they'll go in regarding coaching for next year. It's a pivotal off-season, with the extra cap room they'll have to spend plus (barring a late season injury) having a full year to develop RG3. Regardless of who is coaching, next year will be better simply because there will be more talent on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shocking View Post
    Cousins isn't going anywhere, primarily because of concerns over RG3's health as well as the fact he's on a cheap rookie contract. Once his rookie contract is up, they may look to trade him.
    Nobody would do that. Next year is the year to trade him. If they do it before his contract is up, then you could just wait and not have to trade shit for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    Nobody would do that. Next year is the year to trade him. If they do it before his contract is up, then you could just wait and not have to trade shit for him.
    By "contract is up," I meant closer to the end of the contract. He's signed through the end of 2016 with a salary of next to nothing, meaning they won't be trading him an sooner than the 2015 off-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shocking View Post
    By "contract is up," I meant closer to the end of the contract. He's signed through the end of 2016 with a salary of next to nothing, meaning they won't be trading him an sooner than the 2015 off-season.
    well they have until then to decide to trade him, he could make a noteworthy appearance and his value could go up, maybe he will get lucky and RG3 will be injured for a game against the Lions and he can Flynn his way to success

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    Seahawks have signed Perrish Cox, former niners CB. Antoine Winfield is still in talks, but undecided if he wants to un-retire.


    I'm unfamiliar with Perrish Cox, but apparently he wasn't good at nickle, and neither is Maxwell or Lane... Starting to get a little late for something to happen before Monday night.

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    Saints vs Seahawks Monday night, kinda worried though, High powered offense vs high powered defense, see how it goes.

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