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  1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    It was pretty easy even on heroic, even pugs were downing heroic content. Also, a lot of it has to do with Madness encounter design.
    For me the difficulty or lack thereof had nothing to do with it. I mentioned the repetitive, boring nature of the fights in an earlier post, but I have to add that the scenery was a huge let down. First you start at Wyrmrest temple, except it's not even as nice as the one you encountered during your questing; it's mostly rubble now. Then you progress into... those same ugly pits that you quested through in Twilight Highlands. After that you get to go back to the Eye of Eternity where you had defeated Malygos back in WotLK. Then you come back out for a fight atop Wyrmrest Temple without the overhead dome that had been there while you were questing. Then you're off to the loot ship from ICC and from there it's onto Deathwing's back, except you probably realize it if you skipped the cutscene (and most people skipped it). Finally you get to fight Deathwing one limb at a time. That was the most underwhelming climax in the history of WoW.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    It was pretty easy even on heroic, even pugs were downing heroic content. Also, a lot of it has to do with Madness encounter design.
    First boss of raid is almost always easy on heroic. After Morchok there was no freebies to pug.

    Lurker/Void Reaver = freebies
    2/5 hyjal + 3/9 black temple = freebies
    2/5 toc = freebies
    1/2 To4W freebie
    2/8 firelands = freebies
    Jin'Rokh = freebie

    And yes, Madness was the most boring end of expansion boss so far.
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  3. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by vesseblah View Post
    First boss of raid is almost always easy on heroic. After Morchok there was no freebies to pug.

    Lurker/Void Reaver = freebies
    2/5 hyjal + 3/9 black temple = freebies
    2/5 toc = freebies
    1/2 To4W freebie
    2/8 firelands = freebies
    Jin'Rokh = freebie

    And yes, Madness was the most boring end of expansion boss so far.
    Obviously depends on the server, but my alliance alt pugged 5/8 HM a couple of times and 7/8 HM once. Ultraxion was pretty much a cakewalk with a hpally.

  4. #484
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Obviously depends on the server, but my alliance alt pugged 5/8 HM a couple of times and 7/8 HM once. Ultraxion was pretty much a cakewalk with a hpally.
    A collection of (alts of) bored heroic raiders is not a pug, taking first 10/25 volunteers from /trade channel to fill right healer/tank/dps balance is.
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  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by vesseblah View Post
    A collection of (alts of) bored heroic raiders is not a pug, taking first 10/25 volunteers from /trade channel to fill right healer/tank/dps balance is.
    Haha.

    Okay, point taken.

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    Fleugen, you deserve a medal for that post, got me back into the Ulduar vibe again!

    My worst raid experience: Dragon Soul, the fights were really nice on Heroic Mode, but the lack of using the environment was not nice.
    Felt like a vanilla raid, just tunneling from boss to boss, and there was nothing to check out really.
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  7. #487
    I've disliked all MoP raids so far. Although ToT has some "dark castle" -feeling in it, it's not enough.

  8. #488
    First boss of To4W free in hc ? LOL. Nobody ever killed a t11 boss in pugs. Even during ds, hc t11 was harder than hc ds. Had harder time killing sinestra than ultraxion in 400ilvl.

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    I actually liked Dragon Soul. The problem was just that it kept going on for ever and ever and ever.

    Bastion of Twilight was worse in my opinion.

    Worst raid? A tie between Trial of the Crusader and .. actually, Molten Core. That raid was just pure garbage with boring mechanics and as a Rogue, it was extremely, extremely boring.

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    Dragon Soul. 110%
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    Dragon Soul. Two fights with Deathwing, neither where we actually fought him. We killed some crap on his back and then killed tentacles? What about that human form? Also Green Jesus being star of the patch and as far as I'm aware the other six bosses of the raid being randomly pulled out of nowhere. Also apparently there was an Old God behind Deathwing. Where the hell was N'Zoth? Bah.

    Whilst I only did it LFR, I don't have any fond memories of the instance itself in terms of the fights beyond Yor'sahj.
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    Dragon Soul here as well.
    It was flow, or lack there of. It seemed to lack the epic feeling of progressing through a raid. It felt like I was cheating, flying and warping my way to each boss. Original pre-time nerf Ultraxion trash was mind numbing. The mechanics of most fights were dull and from a healing stand point, were equally dull. Spine and madness was just us fighting a whole bunch of trash.

    Now on the upside, I thoroughly enjoyed the Blackhorn fight and spine and madness were as least creative fights. And while I try to remember the great times that were had, I just can't shake the notion that I have no interest in returning.

    ToGC has grown on me over the years so I don't share the same distaste that others seem to. If I had to pick a second least favourite... I think I'll pick SSC. It was a creative raid, though I never seem to enjoy any of the boss fights. Third least and possible tied for second; Battle for Mount Hyjal. It'll be a cold day in hell before I run that again.
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  13. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by Augusta138 View Post
    Fleugen, you deserve a medal for that post, got me back into the Ulduar vibe again!

    My worst raid experience: Dragon Soul, the fights were really nice on Heroic Mode, but the lack of using the environment was not nice.
    Felt like a vanilla raid, just tunneling from boss to boss, and there was nothing to check out really.
    Glad I could be of assistance. I never left the Ulduar vibe. Did it every chance I had when I wasn't a raider, and raided it every week once I had a raid group willing to do so till the day I stopped playing. Even now, I look back on it with fond, fond memories.

  14. #494
    Dragon Soul. As mentioned before, it was clear that blizzard wasn't fully focusing on Cata/got lazy with everything in Cata. The whole expansion was a huge disappointment anyway.

  15. #495
    How can so many forget the rehashing of Naxx is kinda puzzling.. But in my mind it's the worst by far, too lowly tuned to have any hope to live to it's level 60 counterpart. Many people do say Dragon Soul, but hell I actually enjoyed the progress on it. It just went on for too long and got too easy with gear..

  16. #496
    Wotlk Naxx would be the one for me too. It was the same bosses that had appeared years ago...

  17. #497
    gruuls lair. Bad then, lame now. At least dragon soul had warmaster blackhorn and yor'saahj which were pretty fun fights. the first in gruls lair is just a kill order and a headless chicken cc'ed player fest, the second is just bland and uninteresting.

  18. #498
    Quote Originally Posted by Shuttle View Post
    Dragonsoul. Worst boss encounters ever.

    TOGC had some interesting concerts at the very least.
    Crusade, ICC & Dragonsoul were all awful. I stopped raiding in each one of them.

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    All raids in MoP. never disliked any raid before MoP.
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    Dragon Soul by far the worse raid so far they could have made the Deathwing encounter so much better instead of those stupid tentacles.
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