1. #3461
    Taking a look at Jhazrun's armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...azrun/advanced

    It looks like he went to a full haste build. He had been running full crit up until Garrosh. Seems interesting.

  2. #3462
    Seriously, WORLD FIRST thing has been gone downhill since when.. firelands? World first isn't interesting anymore as it used to be...

  3. #3463
    Quote Originally Posted by almara2512 View Post
    lol at ppl that think there is even a world first race. a race would suggest that every1 starts at an even playing field and with the same access to stuff and at the same time which in wow just isnt true. its kinda like the olympics. there is the summer olympics which is the US as they get shit earlier, then there is the winter olympics which is the EU as they get shit later, and then there is the special olympics(sorry if the disabled takes offense) which is the asians as they have entirely difference rules than the others. sure you can win gold in any of the olympics, but some1 who is competing in the summer olympics cant exactly compete in the winter olympics or special olympics as a marathon runner wont do very well in skiing, so the idea of a world first race is counterproductive, in reality, you can only really get US first, EU first(altho one can argue that if a EU guild kills a boss b4 a US guild then they would technically also get a US first) or asian first.
    Exactly. It cannot be called a "race" because of the simple fact that EVERYTHING from patch-day release to PTR is handled differently for every region.

    Asian realms always got the short end of the stick in these kinds of races. They used to get the patch way after US/EU realms, and do not have PTR to practice all those boss fights beforehand like the US/EU guilds. The top Chinese guilds suffered the most during TBC and WotLK because those expansions were delayed (not really Blizzard's fault), so a ton of those guilds migrated to Taiwan realms but they had terrible ping, and for the most part remained uncompetitive while US/EU guilds nabbed those world firsts uncontested.

    If Blizzard were serious about world first races, they would have made everything the same.

  4. #3464
    Blah blah, cry more. Congrats to the Asians for world first. ilvl higher or not they downed it first. Big Congrats.

  5. #3465
    Didn't a mod order you people to stop talking about EU/US vs Asia?

    World first is a world first. Move on. Let's discuss who will get EU/US first instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orcindauh View Post
    Didn't a mod order you people to stop talking about EU/US vs Asia?

    World first is a world first. Move on. Let's discuss who will get EU/US first instead.
    For us Bl is ahead I know but I'm rooting for midwinter. I wonder how many hours a day they have been raiding
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    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
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    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrun View Post
    For us Bl is ahead I know but I'm rooting for midwinter. I wonder how many hours a day they have been raiding
    Yes, I also want Midwinter, the only Alliance guild in a sea of Horde guilds, to nab the US/EU first!
    However Wowprogress still lists them at 12/14, they are still one boss behind?

  8. #3468
    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    Yes, I also want Midwinter, the only Alliance guild in a sea of Horde guilds, to nab the US/EU first!
    However Wowprogress still lists them at 12/14, they are still one boss behind?
    Considering how Paragons needs high dps midwinter is more behind with their alliance racials than on previous bosses. If they got kill before another reset I'd be suprised.
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  9. #3469
    Quote Originally Posted by Thirstblood View Post
    Seriously, WORLD FIRST thing has been gone downhill since when ...
    Since the China vs US/EU argument started.

  10. #3470
    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    Exactly. It cannot be called a "race" because of the simple fact that EVERYTHING from patch-day release to PTR is handled differently for every region.

    Asian realms always got the short end of the stick in these kinds of races. They used to get the patch way after US/EU realms, and do not have PTR to practice all those boss fights beforehand like the US/EU guilds. The top Chinese guilds suffered the most during TBC and WotLK because those expansions were delayed (not really Blizzard's fault), so a ton of those guilds migrated to Taiwan realms but they had terrible ping, and for the most part remained uncompetitive while US/EU guilds nabbed those world firsts uncontested.

    If Blizzard were serious about world first races, they would have made everything the same.
    Aisa do have access to PTR but with insane latency and language barrier
    Imagin method paragon blood legion have to learn chinese or koeran for a ptr practise plus huge latency and dc

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazih View Post
    Considering how Paragons needs high dps midwinter is more behind with their alliance racials than on previous bosses. If they got kill before another reset I'd be suprised.
    I think they will make it before reset. Racially are not that huge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartazjb0y View Post
    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazih View Post
    Considering how Paragons needs high dps midwinter is more behind with their alliance racials than on previous bosses. If they got kill before another reset I'd be suprised.
    srsly you blame racials ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandus View Post
    srsly you blame racials ?
    Racials actually provide quite significant advantage. You should know better

  14. #3474
    Quote Originally Posted by maldias View Post
    hahahahaha


    same to you, but heres the thing.
    my opinion isn't a minority one.

    during wrath the feedback about that system was vitriolic to say the least.
    people became burned out on content far faster then they do now because of how required it was to do as many raids as possible.
    at one point that means doing within one week:
    normal 10man,
    heroic 10man,
    normal 25man,
    and heroic 25man.

    and that wasn't optional as there was different loot tables between 10 and 25.
    Uhhh, people only did 10 and 25 in wrath. Now people do lfr, flex, then their normal raid.

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    please post more analogies guys.

    EU 10m seems to be soaring in front of US :<

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    By the way, are the Asian raids also tuned higher in 25m?

    Quote Originally Posted by jarbulldog View Post
    I don't care Asian kill doesn't count. They have higher levels and can do 10 & 26. World first is still on.
    It hardly "doesn't count". World first is over, non-Asian first is still on though.

    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    If Blizzard were serious about world first races, they would have made everything the same.
    They aren't. Why do you think there's no WF feats? It's something Blizzard tries to accommodate but it is not how the game is designed to be played.
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  17. #3477
    World 2nd 25H Kalaxxi kill
    http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/m...eId=0_06_02_99
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    as always plz DO NOT WATCH if you think Asia isnt part of the world race, no point to watch someone already out of the race isnt it
    enjoy

  18. #3478
    Quote Originally Posted by Hikashuri View Post
    Flex mode is garbage mode. Even 10 normal icc was 10x more complicated.

    I like to help friends in normal mode, not bloody flex, nobody gives a flying sh** about
    10icc was not that much if anymore complicated then flex is sorry to burst your bubble...

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    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    And the West gets the patch 2 days earlier than Asia (it used to be a week head-start)
    And the Western top guilds already got advance fight experience in PTR test realms where Asian guilds do not.

    Does this mean all previous World-firsts do not count as well, because they were unfair to Asia ?
    No because Asia is not part of the race... I don't see how people don't comprehend that.

  19. #3479
    Gratz Envy and Sanitas, HC paragons dead earlier this morning. Both guilds up for a tied lead.
    Das Hulk yes.

    Once Hardcore always Hardcore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrun View Post
    For us Bl is ahead I know but I'm rooting for midwinter. I wonder how many hours a day they have been raiding
    I'm personally hoping for Method for World First. I dunno why, but I feel like they were kind of the underdogs going in.
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