After all, if you ARE in a top 50 guild, then the weakest link really can't be THAT "weak".
One major factor is ofcourse the time spent raiding.
Another big factor is ofcourse how well people play. But if every DPS is able to do 5% more dmg due to being just a little bit better, you'll see your guild downing many more bosses way quicker.
I cant talk on REM's, or any other guild's behalf, but i'd say even tiny improvements across the board for those guilds will result in massive advances when raiding. If you want to be top 10, you gotta let go of the weak links (or they have to become stronger)
As for REM, I'm not sure - but I think alot of the same was valid for REM's ToT progress.
I think it was two 10 mans or 1 10 man + a crashed 25 man guild that merged (i wasn't in either guild, but joined during the merge). We started out by doing Vaults on 25 hc, and then doing the rest of the raids in the raid groups we had pre merge. Slowly we started doing more and more of the bosses in the final 25 man hc team, to get used to the new enviroment, people, fights etc. We never got around to doing springs as it wasn't deemed worth it to spend time to learn fights and clear it before ToT landed (was already cleared by another 25hc guild). In ToT we only did 25HC.
I can only recognise about 13 of the people from their Blackfuse kill, so alot of people have either been replaced or rerolled or name changed
Last edited by Martinussen; 2013-09-30 at 12:21 PM.
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That won't be happening now if guilds can gear up in 25man, aren't geared enough to kill the last couple of bosses and switch to 10man where their ilvl gear gives a huge advantage.
Effectively, the World First race is now over and will continue like that into future expansions (unless Blizzard changes things). Unless the top guilds are happy just being Asia/US/EU/25/10 first or whatever, Method and BL at least could at least say WF 25man (but still 2nd) if they get it, but the 10man guilds have got nothing to really go for now, apart from US or EU 1st and World 2nd, possibly 3rd if there's a 25man kill before them.
I now wonder if the top guilds are going to see a decline in their rosters if effectively they aren't going to be competing on a level playing field for World First?
I really don't think the members of Method/BL/Paragon think of the race as being "over" or really care at all about some asian 10 man killing a boss aimed at a different raid size with a bunch of extra gear. It just isn't relevant.
Which one would interest u the most? Would u call their "world first" the real world first(world champions what ever) or not? (Perhaps a bad metaphor but its my point that matters).
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I heard REM got world 10th cos of their new Raid Leader is crazy amazing...
Last edited by Ryian; 2013-09-30 at 02:27 PM.
There is no real worldfirst anymore. We are now looking for Westfirst and Asiafirst. You cant call a race worldfirstrace if not all of the wow community participate under the sane rules. We need to seperate them. Its not a worldfirst with only eu/us in a pot.
But the fact still remains, Garrosh has already been killed whether we agree with it or not. Also, World First suggests that US/EU does not constitute "the world". Bit like Americans calling whoever wins the Superbowl world champions when they are the only country competing.
Not really a world first if it's been downed already, it's a bit like the 10man vs 25man debate whether 10man is real raiding?