Isnt log in norushen broken? there is a log from h jugger http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3369&e=3651 he used 2 cs and 5 fol, but its look like he beacon dance a lot.
This one is from H thok
Not sure. Some fights/raids he does it a lot and others not so much.
Fallen Protectors (10/16/13): 28 CS
Iron Juggernaut (10/23/13): 18 CS
General Nazgrim (10/23/13): 19 CS
Thok (10/3/13): 27 CS
Immerseus (10/16/13): 11 CS
Sha of Pride (10/23/23): 33 CS
Fights like Malkorok where a healer isn't supposed to be in melee, for instance, aren't really going to have much CS use.
As far as FoL, after looking a bit more at some of the logs he uses it the most when he pops HA (which makes sense since you're trying to get the most HP building moves off during it's duration).
Last edited by Healtuff; 2013-11-24 at 12:55 AM.
You know... I hate to call you out, but sometimes in your posts I think you pay way, way too much attention to other people and not enough to figure things out from your own experience. It's not that following logs is a bad thing or that you shouldn't do it (you should!) but I always feel it's better to use them to supplement your own experience, not to replace it.
If you are using CS and it's working for you (I think it is a waste of mana personally since SOI doesn't give mana return anymore, but this is also 25m perspective where HR will almost always be worth it compared to 10m) and your parses, raid stability, and mana can support it, then it's a good idea to continue doing so.
It's actually funny that you say that because I really haven't posted that much on the forums here since returning to WoW (11 posts since I started playing again in January of 2013) and I didn't think I was posting too much about other players... but you're actually pretty spot on. I do try and see what other players are doing and use it to improve my own play style.
I do this in most aspects of my life as well. I like to check how successful individuals act, or dress and mirror it in hopes that it will make me a more marketable asset in the eyes of employers. In my EE program at school I will check how a certain problem or project has been tackled before and utilize those methods in my own implementation.
But I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, though. Especially since in WoW I only have 6 hours a week to raid so anything I can do while not logged in (strats, theorycrafting, stat priority optimization) allows me to be the best player I'm capable of being. That doesn't mean I just blindly follow something because I see someone else doing it. Far from it. I examine what others are doing, ask myself the question "Why are they doing that?" and then weigh the pros and cons of implementing it in my own situations. Like I mentioned, I've already been using a bit more FoL and CS in my playstyle since finding Pringli's logs, and now that I've had time to test it out and see the results I wanted to see if there was anything in particular that anybody else (especially players who have been able to progress farther than me) could forsee as a downside to this style I've been using.
tl;dr: My numbers increased and I was curious if I was just meter whoring or if I was just performing a bit better.
Last edited by Healtuff; 2013-11-24 at 01:35 AM.
Take the 4 minute Malkorok for instance, the shorter the fight, the more HPS you are generally going to see as cooldowns start whittling off as the fight drags on.
Edit: The norushen log has him doing the healer trial, which will obviously skew the healing in his favor.
Last edited by PosPosPos; 2013-11-24 at 08:48 PM.
Before we delete Mythic raiding for having less than 5% of player representation, we should look to deleting the entire game itself for having less than 0.1% representation of the world's current human population.
In regards to 10mans, are there any fights (aside from Thok) were SH will definitely out-perform EF or are they relatively equal in terms of output?
SH is really a 25 man thing. The HR portion of the rotation will always hit the required targets on 25 where it won't on 10s, meaning it isn't wasted. You don't need the beacon transfer as much on 25. Also, your heals are much more likely to get sniped on 25, meaning full mastery and full shields is there more effective way to heal than in 10s.
Pasture and Xs. Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't aware that SH was almost strictly 25man, as it can be pretty difficult to find good information regarding holy paladins in general. I heal with a resto druid in 10 man and I prefer EF over SH anyway. I was just curious about how SH compared to it in 10s, considering most of the comments I've seen it about it on here and other places seem to be directed at 25man healing.
For instance, in the log linked earlier, there were 5 CS misses out of 21. Almost 20% miss rate. That's a lot of downtime for a spell that doesn't heal. When used during HA, that hurts to miss out on 3 HP. Here's the log:
Just go to expression editor and enter the following to see the misses for any fight:
(missType = MISS_PARRY OR
missType = MISS_DODGE OR
missType = MISS_MISS)
AND sourceName = "Pringli"
I'm a 25m heroic raider and cant' speak to 10m, but I would guess he's using FoL during his meta proc. It's the quickest and most efficient way of generating HP if Infusion isn't proc'd. Also, he's probably lining up his infusion with holy radiance because of the 4 piece bonus (infusion gives HR/DL/HL 25% increased healing). I wouldn't recommend holding off HR for that proc, but in a 10m environment it might be more convenient to hold off since there aren't enough players in range for a good HR.
I healed 25H Garrosh this week using the SH build. It does have weaker tank healing, no doubt about it but on bosses with one tank taking consistent damage like on Garrosh, as long as you are able to swap beacon fast, it's alright. With the SH build healing through strong AoE abilities like the Whirling Corruption feels a lot easier than with the EF build.
HC Thok 10 man question. Can't decide between SH and EF. SH provides awesome burst healing when popping cd's and it seems to ease the scream phases. EF provides more control but i feel useless in the scream phases when things gets tight.
Healing with a disc priest and druid.
However, due to the nerfs it might be easy enough now with EF also.
EF and SH work on this Fight and both have their strength as mentioned above.
If you opt for EF its useful to go for the 7170 haste BP so you can fit a HR in between screeches.