Jainia making a power play= Evil? is this real life?

[Redpanda]

Can someone explain how Jaina telling Varian to move in a dismatle the horde makes her evil or bad? And this is coming from someone that liked Garrosh and Im horde. All it was, was a power play you see a oportunity and you take it, its a strategic move of war plain and simple. If Varian would of jumped in sooner Horde would of been donezo imo Jaina was too slow in telling Varian to jump in and take advantage too slow. We stepped up and he backed off.


PS: "We will end you" PFFFFF GTFO with that noise go back to your cushy little castle and sulk because you wont end the horde regardless. but this was just an aside.

Lets not forget the rant Wrathion goes on when he said he practically GAVE varian the horde and he could of ruled all of azaroth so lets he honest quit crying about Jaina she is probably under mind control or after theramore got hiroshimaed she is rightfully pissed. I mean she did live there who can blame her?

[Vaelorian]

Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.

But yeah I don't feel it is very much a fistpump moment nor very well written.

[Enosh]

not bowing to the horde without question = evil
obviously

[Yarathir]

not bowing to the horde without question = evil
obviously

That seems to be the general belief, sadly.


Also:

Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.

[mannenabo]

made it pretty epic, coming from varian

[Deleted]

Garrosh did a bad thing by blowing up Theramore. He then became evil.

Even members of the Horde wanted to dethrone him, even Thrall wanted to kill him with Varian stopped him.

Jaina was friends with Thrall. Now she goes ''KILL ALL ORCS'' for something Garrosh did because she's just stupid.

Bitch went angry because her playhouse blew up, but everything else that happens is fine.

[Noomz]

Can someone explain how Jaina telling Varian to move in a dismatle the horde makes her evil or bad? And this is coming from someone that liked Garrosh and Im horde. All it was, was a power play you see a oportunity and you take it, its a strategic move of war plain and simple. If Varian would of jumped in sooner Horde would of been donezo imo Jaina was too slow in telling Varian to jump in and take advantage too slow. We stepped up and he backed off.


PS: "We will end you" PFFFFF GTFO with that noise go back to your cushy little castle and sulk because you wont end the horde regardless. but this was just an aside.

Lets not forget the rant Wrathion goes on when he said he practically GAVE varian the horde and he could of ruled all of azaroth so lets he honest quit crying about Jaina she is probably under mind control or after theramore got hiroshimaed she is rightfully pissed. I mean she did live there who can blame her?

Jaina and Wrathion both had good points, but in the end, in the long run, what Varian decided might be better. Vengeance is easy, forgiving is difficult.

[Redpanda]

What I'm getting at is everyone is losing their minds over Jaina making a move on the horde through varian

[Torgent]

What I'm getting at is everyone is losing their minds over Jaina making a move on the horde through varian

It's not so much that she's evil, but it is entirely out of character for her.

[Noomz]

Garrosh did a bad thing by blowing up Theramore. He then became evil.

Even members of the Horde wanted to dethrone him, even Thrall wanted to kill him with Varian stopped him.

Jaina was friends with Thrall. Now she goes ''KILL ALL ORCS'' for something Garrosh did because she's just stupid.

Bitch went angry because her playhouse blew up, but everything else that happens is fine.

For something Garrosh did? With the help of most of his race. Not to mention how they bombed a druid grove. Mistake or not, they still did it.
To her, the orcs have repeatedly just show their true colors, in her eyes. History shows, that they have tendency towards corruption and destruction. The Horde has been on the offensive since Cata, they invaded Ashenvale, they destroyed Theramore and it's outpost, they used the plague on Gilneas, raised the gilnean dead. Even if these are acts of individual leaders, the Horde is responsible for what it's leaders do.
There's a reason that Kil'jaeden himself said the orcs had great potential and why he wanted them. Violence is what they are, and they prove that over and over.

Then you trivialize how her entire city got blown up with everyone in it. Yeah stupid Jaina for not getting over an entire city blown up.

[Enosh]

Garrosh did a bad thing by blowing up Theramore. He then became evil.

Even members of the Horde wanted to dethrone him, even Thrall wanted to kill him with Varian stopped him.

Jaina was friends with Thrall. Now she goes ''KILL ALL ORCS'' for something Garrosh did because she's just stupid.

Bitch went angry because her playhouse blew up, but everything else that happens is fine.

I must have missed the story where Garrosh designed the bomb alone, walked up to theramore alone, assaulted it alone, killed alliance personnel alone and then without the help of anyone else threw the bomb

[Deleted]

won't be long before she can hear voices!

[Noomz]

It's not so much that she's evil, but it is entirely out of character for her.

Out of character that her character has developed beyond a one-sided, peace-loving hippie always bitching about how we should all be friends then end up having ALL that trust DESTROYED?
Do you forget that she actually DIDN'T destroy Orgrimmar?

She's not evil. She's protecting her people from this shit happening another damned time.

[KrazyK923]

Garrosh did a bad thing by blowing up Theramore. He then became evil.

Even members of the Horde wanted to dethrone him, even Thrall wanted to kill him with Varian stopped him.

Jaina was friends with Thrall. Now she goes ''KILL ALL ORCS'' for something Garrosh did because she's just stupid.

Bitch went angry because her playhouse blew up, but everything else that happens is fine.

She didn't say "Kill all Orcs" in the cinematic. That was in Tides of War when she was quite obviously poisoned by the Mana Bomb. What she suggested in the cinematic is hardly genocide.

[mysticx]

It's not so much that she's evil, but it is entirely out of character for her.

After everything that happened to her the past 2 years (Not risking a raid by the spoiler-police, but she had it rough), she is the one character in WoW with good reason to change her attitude towards the world around her and the horde in particular...

[KrazyK923]

She's not evil. She's protecting her people from this shit happening another damned time.

I am so glad there are other people besides me who realize the horse shit argument Blizzard is trying to spoonfeed us with this cinematic.

[Deleted]

People apply their own moral standards to the fantasy world of Warcraft. Something is bad/evil if it deviates from what they themselves would do.

[Torgent]

Out of character that her character has developed beyond a one-sided, peace-loving hippie always bitching about how we should all be friends then end up having ALL that trust DESTROYED?
Do you forget that she actually DIDN'T destroy Orgrimmar?

She's not evil. She's protecting her people from this shit happening another damned time.

Yet again, she's not evil. She broke character. Jaina would never have wanted to dismantle the horde, she would have seized this opportunity to unite the two factions under the common enemy defeated. She has been trying to unite them forever, and now that it's all but happened, she would suddenly decide that because a horde person went crazy and blew up her town that her friends in the horde and the idea she has been working on for a long time is now gone? No. That isn't logical progression. She went face to face with the horde on the isle of thunder, she said to them hand over Aethas and we will walk our separate ways. She didn't want him because he was in the horde, she wanted him captured because he used the kirin tor to assist in an attack on the Alliance.

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After everything that happened to her the past 2 years (Not risking a raid by the spoiler-police, but she had it rough), she is the one character in WoW with good reason to change her attitude towards the world around her and the horde in particular...

Yes she should have changed her attitude...but she never did. A sudden 180 makes no sense. Changes in beliefs don't happen in an instant, especially not when what you worked for is within grasp. Peace was right there and she suddenly wanted to destroy the horde. Varian made peace, jaina wanted death. That's a break in character. Had they been making her more aggressive gradually, it would make more sense.

[Redpanda]

I like how no one questions Thrall about to bash garrosh's skull into oblivion but Varian stops him. Does that make Thrall evil!?

Im horde and I can respect Jaina's move but too little too late. But she has been shit on for trying to make peace since Ulduar, then Theramore gets hiroshimaed and everyone expects her to chill? Im not suprised she hasnt made a bigger move. In addition part of me is a little peeved because Varian talks all high and mighty getting the last word in. Take this win Alliance but The Horde War Machine wont be held down for long.

[Yarathir]

Yes she should have changed her attitude...but she never did. A sudden 180 makes no sense. Changes in beliefs don't happen in an instant, especially not when what you worked for is within grasp. Peace was right there and she suddenly wanted to destroy the horde. Varian made peace, jaina wanted death. That's a break in character. Had they been making her more aggressive gradually, it would make more sense.

Ever heard of the straw that broke the camel's back? That's the apt name for it. Not this hyperbole '180' BS.