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  1. #261
    Her trust of the orcs and the Horde was betrayed at Theramore, she still just wants revenge.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    I like how Jaina is evil for suggesting a totally rational thing. In a War, when you win, you crush your enemy.

    If anything, the fact that Jaina herself wants to get rid of the Horde should show why it has gotten far too many chances.
    You consider genocide of a defeated enemy rational? Should we have turned every square inch of Japan into ash after they surrendered? In WoW only someone like Garrosh would consider this 'rational'. In real life only someone like Hitler. You really want to travel down this road just to provide some kind of justification for Jaina's behavior?

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by dess View Post
    Just because of that she is evil?

    You ever stop to think that she learned from her history of trying to keep the peace? Her city got obliterated and now she knows she cant trust them.
    Her Father felt the same way... She helped killed him.

    "Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you." - Grand Admiral Proudmoore
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  4. #264

    prediction

    In my opinion, Jaina will become the new leader of the Alliance. I don't know how that will happen but it is possible. Varian wants to maintain peace while Jaina wants to destroy the Horde. I believe, for Warcraft-sake, she would be a better leader to keep the war between the Alliance and Horde going.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by budong View Post
    You consider genocide of a defeated enemy rational?
    She never suggested genocide. All she suggested was dismantling the Horde. A total of 6 deaths would have accomplished just that.

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    "troll master race" lol'd so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concequence View Post
    Her Father felt the same way... She helped killed him.

    "Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you." - Grand Admiral Proudmoore
    Given what's happened since he doesn't seem far wrong, even if the orcs are a necessary evil for Azeroth's survival

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohan View Post
    In my opinion, Jaina will become the new leader of the Alliance. I don't know how that will happen but it is possible. Varian wants to maintain peace while Jaina wants to destroy the Horde. I believe, for Warcraft-sake, she would be a better leader to keep the war between the Alliance and Horde going.
    The war sucks, i'm glad it's over.

    No way would Jaina get enough support to become leader, should Varian somehow die then leadership would probably fall to Tyrande or Velen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wych View Post
    Given what's happened since he doesn't seem far wrong, even if the orcs are a necessary evil for Azeroth's survival

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    The war sucks, i'm glad it's over.

    No way would Jaina get enough support to become leader, should Varian somehow die then leadership would probably fall to Tyrande or Velen.
    varian just gets mind controlled....Jaina is a powerful magic whielder and varian just a warrior....he has no chance actually.^^ It can be pulled of and it will. The only problem is Velen and Anduin, and maybe the dwarves could mourn. But Tyrande seems turned a bit too, you notice it in the alliance scenario. Besides she could put malfurion to sleep for a very long timet if its needed.

    Seems there are a trio of 3 evil women trying to rule the world and there is of course Aszshara too, so we got 4 total. bottom line: women are evil.^^

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    Her reaction is understandable.

    Likable? Probably not so much for the more 'noble minded'.

    But this is war, and she rooted out a prime opportunity to end it, and end it in her favor and sate her revenge for her city being decimated.
    Slightly misplaced revenge, but it would be sated non-the-less. And she is acting on that streak, whatever she's convinced Anduin and Kalegos of. It will always be there with her now. I've seen it happen to people I know. This is a good character arc for her, she took Arthas, she took Kael'thas, she took numerous misjudgements in the name of peace with dignity, and Garrosh finally broke her by destroying all she fought for. Her home and people.

    She is acting as one would expect. And I'm pleased for that.
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    Yeah, it's always WAR WAR WAR untill..BY ALL THAT IS HOLY DO YOU SEE THAT ENEMY OVER THERE?? GLORIOUS LOOT!!!!!

  10. #270
    Sylvanas is more evil than Jaina (if Jaina is even remotely evil to begin with), ignoring orders and doing all it takes all in the name of 'self preservation'

    Whereas Jaina had her beliefs betrayed (trust in Orcs for peace) and ultimately spat out at her

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    heh the same people on their high horse were the ones who supported garrosh till he went batshit crazy. and some even supported him then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by championknight View Post
    Sylvanas is more evil than Jaina (if Jaina is even remotely evil to begin with), ignoring orders and doing all it takes all in the name of 'self preservation'

    Whereas Jaina had her beliefs betrayed (trust in Orcs for peace) and ultimately spat out at her
    Sylvanas isn't remotely evil. She doesn't need to take orders cause she is the queen in her realm and the warchief is just a meaningless title. She has an alliance with the horde thats all, she is still the superior leader of her realm and the forsaken.

    Even the plague at the wrathgate was not her but Purtress work.

    Developing secret weapons, defending her borders at silverpine against the worgen and not taking orders doesn't make her suddenly an evil spawn. The scourge however is evil. A long way to get there for sylvanas and their rather neutral forsaken.(while they are neutral they are a bit odd to the living)

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    Quote Originally Posted by budong View Post
    You consider genocide of a defeated enemy rational? Should we have turned every square inch of Japan into ash after they surrendered? In WoW only someone like Garrosh would consider this 'rational'. In real life only someone like Hitler. You really want to travel down this road just to provide some kind of justification for Jaina's behavior?
    Xcept that the horde did not surrender to the Alliance at all.

    Also, nice Godwyn.

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    If she was asking this thing to be done to some other race like forest trolls after they harmed the alliance no one would even think anything. But if she wants to hurt the horde, she becomes evil, is it?

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    Sigh...no, Jaina is not evil. She's just acting out of character, based on her most recent appearance in the Isle of Thunder.

    Bad writing does not make you evil. It just makes you want to punch Bella Swan in the throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Bad writing does not make you evil. It just makes you want to punch Bella Swan in the throat.
    I guess Jaina is Team Edward too since she was intense with someone who became undead.
    BAD WOLF

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    Good guys going 180 is such an overused plot element in wow =/ 2 xpacs from now will prolly be wrath of anduin or black prince

  18. #278
    Jaina isn't evil, she was just being realistic and practical. The Horde has never shown themselves to be trustworthy.

  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Galosengen View Post
    Jaina has a ton of legitimate reasons to hate the Horde now, seriously I don't know why people have a hard time getting this. Her mindset changed due to various events, that happens to people.
    Agreed, and YAY was hoping Blizzard would develop her character more, I want to see Jaina a little revengeful and angry; it makes for more interesting character development, the goodie-goodie Jaina replacement can now be Anduin. (i find him incredibly flat and boring)
    The so called smile wasnt really a "smile" more of a pursedlip, yes lets do this our moment is here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqua View Post
    Her reaction is understandable.

    Likable? Probably not so much for the more 'noble minded'.

    But this is war, and she rooted out a prime opportunity to end it, and end it in her favor and sate her revenge for her city being decimated.
    Slightly misplaced revenge, but it would be sated non-the-less. And she is acting on that streak, whatever she's convinced Anduin and Kalegos of. It will always be there with her now. I've seen it happen to people I know. This is a good character arc for her, she took Arthas, she took Kael'thas, she took numerous misjudgements in the name of peace with dignity, and Garrosh finally broke her by destroying all she fought for. Her home and people.

    She is acting as one would expect. And I'm pleased for that.
    Makes for a good arc doesnt it <gleefully rubbing hands together in excitement>
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    Quote Originally Posted by saucywench View Post
    The so called smile wasnt really a "smile" more of a pursedlip, yes lets do this our moment is here.
    While I'm fine, a little sad, but mostly excited for her downfall (that is to say I'm in agreement with her character development) to think that her look wasn't indicative of something sinister or foreshadowing compared to her previous nature is a bit naive.
    Even if it was just a gloaty, 'haha we're going to kick you butts now' look...that's not Jaina. It shows her complete reversal regardless of what we personally infer that look to mean.

    Whether spiteful/evil or just a triumph at the Alliance domination, it's 'wrong'. It's not Jaina. Her old self is dead. It was a significant look that cannot be downplayed. I find it odd it didn't show her face at all in the Alliance version after Varian completely goes against her 'command'. I think that facial expression would have been more tellnig of exactly where her frame of mind is.

    Was she shocked? Angered? Hurt? That's the more important emotion that whether through their fault or intentions we don't know.
    BAD WOLF

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