heh more horde like it than hate it in the poll. guess the horde are liking it too.
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Warcraft is the only franchise to get orcs right, to show them as people, and as I said previous, because of them being unlike any other orcs in any other franchise, they worked perfect as the example to represent the horde. The horde began with orcs, its always been orcs, and having some punks with a hang up against orcs because its not there fav race claim 'its time for change' is just rubbing salt in the wounds this story has made them into now.
Its sick to say, but I'm not looking to the future, thinking when Vol'jin is either killed ro removed from power, and with hope, an orc with some mantle taking the horde again, and leading it as it was meant to be, orcs leading by example, defending the horde, well humans do the same for the alliance.
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Guess it's time for all the Hordies to have a whinefest about their story Should us Alliance show them the same courtesy they showed us when the Alliance were upset about their storylines? Remember all those *Why are Alliance such whiners?* threads? lol.
Orcs are still there, they haven't been shafted out the game, they are just giving some other races some airtime, Thrall recognizes Vol'jins potential leadership qualities, lets wait and see what they do next
And what happens at the end of 5.4, oh thats right, the alliance is still the same as it was before, it hasn't changed face, and you get to walk off gloating that the horde does loose face with itself, well yours is firmly stuck doing what its always doing.
I'm tired of the orcs. Their constant struggle with not being mauraiding idiots is to the detriment of every other race forced to tag along with them. teaching the orcs not to be evil every expansion is just boring. hopefully Vol'jin and thrall knock some sense into them.
Whining is whining regardless, each side believes they have a reason to be upset about something, your reason isn't anymore important or worthy, than that of an Alliance player that has issues with their factions story.
You need to take your blinders off. Yes orcs are a huge part of Warcraft, yes Humans and Orcs were the founders of Warcraft, but it's been over 10 years now, keeping things the same just because *it's always been that way* is as boring as a story could be. I want to see other races get more development, Vol'jin hopefully is a start. We don't know whats going to happen next, for all you know your orcs could be a major plotline in the near future, then all your bitching about how its all *trolls v humans* now would be in vain.
How about you give Vol'jin a chance to show he's a capable leader, I think he's already shown his potential, but at least in your eyes, give him a chance? Everyone deserves a chance, and he surely cannot be any worse than Garrosh.
Could we just get this fucking clown a ban or something? Pretty please?Nice Draenei avatar, did you know that Draenei are members of the Alliance? And because of that your opinion to what the Horde should and shouldn't be is irrelevant?
Mop proved true every single complaint people have had with Orcs since.. ever. They do not deserve to rule the horde. They cant keep themselves in check without a human raised Orc to tell them how stupid their warmongering is.
whats funny though is how this means nothing. orcs will still be the main characters of the horde, they just won't have the power to rampage around and be monsters anymore. Why is this BAD? shouldnt you LIKE this development, having a warchief who won't LET the orcs turn evil again?
orcs have fucked up leading the horde. Garrosh only got as far as he did because of the HUGE support he had from the orcs, right from the start and right to the end. Its called the Darkspear rebellion for a reason, not the orc rebellion.
even in the rebellion, we had TWO orcs who opposed him. 3 with eitrigg.
it's just sad. How many redemptions do the Orcs need? When will they learn their lesson?
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Yay Vol'jin! When they first announced there would be a new Warchief I told people it would be Vol'jin (mostly as a joke, cuz most people know how much I love trolls). However, as the expack progress I must admit I'm kinda sad they didn't go with Lor'themar. I didn't realize how cool he was until just recently, I hope Lor'themar keeps a more prominent place in game-play from here on out >_>
Sylvanas should've taken The throne. She is ruthless yet protective. She would've done an amazing job. I hope the war on Gilneas they hinted, she becomes an even bigger part of the horde.
There are those who take that sense of what we like in the story seriously, its what drew us to the game, our characters, lore characters we like, and what, in many cases, kept us playing. So its not irrelevant for someone who feels pissed off at the developers for changing something so sudden and dramatically, that they feel that way about it.
As far as Orcs fucking up leading the Horde, I've already given a list of decent Orc leaders as far as Warchiefs of the Horde go right now we've had two terrible ones and two good ones, last time I checked 2/4 is a better ratio than 1/3 (Archimonde, Velen, and Kil'jaeden.)
As far as it being called the Darkspear Rebellion, let's not forget that there are the Orc refugees outside of Razor Hill, in addition to those in Razor Hill that defected. Not to mention most of the Orcs are oathbound so their hands are pretty much tied (Especially with Malkorok and The Korkron abducting those who question Hellscream's regime.) and let's not forget the soldiers like Nazgrim, they don't like what they're doing, but as soldiers "Theirs is not to question, only to act."
Also, when considering these NPC's note that in-game numbers =/= Lore numbers, otherwise the Darkspear rebellion would be attacking Orgrimmar with a force of Roughly 50, they wouldn't take a small town with those numbers, so the amount of Orcs you see in game, is in fact much larger, in lore.
As far as Orcs and redemption goes, let's see. The first corruption is indirectly the fault of the Draenei, a warning that there might be one of the most threatening forces in the universe trying to exterminate you, and have snuffed out countless planets that you have settled on would be nice, you could also throw in that the main person TRYING to find you is called "the Deciever." As far as Garrosh goes, that's what happens when a bad person gets in a seat of power, that doesn't say anything about the Orcs as a whole, nor does it say anything about the one who appointed him. (Thrall's idea of "Long" was months, not years, he wasn't counting on Deathwing Shattering Azeroth, and Garrosh wasn't showing signs of starting a global conflict and kicking all non-Orcs out of the Horde)
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Also, to "The Glitch" I'm not whining because my favorite race isn't leading a faction anymore, I'm complaining because a core aspect of the game was changed for absolutely no reason, and, not to sound over dramatic, it does feel like a betrayal, considering I grew up on WCIII. This isn't even taking into consideration that they chose one of the WORST guys for the job. (With Gallywix and Sylvanas being the only two that would be worse) You can be excited for the change, like I've said before, but I've pretty much lost interest in the Horde's story, and I feel like the people here cheering that the Orcs are now out of the spot light are in for a disappointment when they realize that one race traded the spotlight with another. Expect the Siame-Quashi to replace the Kor'kron.
If we go with your thinking, then all those Hordies that come into threads to bitch and whine about Alliance players that have complaints about Alliance storylines, should also stay away as their opinion isn't valid, due to them being Horde right? Yet I've seen you come in all hell breaking loose into threads where Alliance folks have concerns telling them they are wrong and just whiners. You are no better than the people you complain about.
I respect both factions storylines, I enjoy both factions storylines, I also respect other peoples views on their favourite faction, so long as they aren't making wild accusations and belittling other players just because they don't agree with you.
I haven't been happy with a lot of things they have done with some of my favourite characters, but I can also stand back and say *ok well it may not be the way I thought it should go, but I will let it play out and see where it takes us* rather than hit the forums and try and stuff my opinion down everyones throats and tell them they are wrong when they disagree.
I love Thralls story, and have no hate against Orcs as a rule, I just also know that stagnant waters start to smell after a while, it's better to drink from a fresh pool. This is why I like Vol'jin being given the chance to shine and show what he's made of, you keep saying they hardly have any backstory, then let them have a story, this is their chance to go deep into another race and give them the depth they need.