Really? Everything we know about Vol'jin? How about Shadows of the Horde? I take it you've read that, right? If you can't see how that book evolved Vol'jin into a leader figure, than I'd say you're just in denial.
Accusing me of only talking in implications is pretty ironic, as that's all you have offered, yourself.
And you want to dismiss my arguments purely out of disrespect for my point-of-view? Well then, let's even things up : your signature says all that needs to be said about your point-of-view.
The reason Vol'jin got the pick was because he ended up being the one pulling the revolution together and, yes, being smart enough to realize the rebels needed backup. His choice was between a three-way war between his rebels, the Alliance, and the Kor'kron, or getting the Alliance to back him and having the numbers to take Garrosh down. I know, crazy thought--someone uses their brain rather than their nuts when they plan a siege, and with an Old God's heart in his city, Garrosh presented a far more clear and present danger than Varian (who could at least be relied on to conduct himself with honor as an ally of convenience).
What happened was the rebels threw Garrosh out and laid siege to his city after taking enough of his shit. If anything, Vol'jin brought them together using Garrosh as a target for their ire.
Thrall was born a slave, ran away, became Doomhammer's second, ran the Horde, left it to focus on life as a shaman, and came back to help take Garrosh down.
Varian was born royalty, his dad was assassinated, his kingdom burned down, his people took refuge in Lordaeron, he comes back, he's kidnapped, he comes back, he's angry, he mellows out, he's the big Alliance hero.
Anyone's story can be simplified into a 30-second chunk.
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I don't care for Vol'jin as a character, or trolls at all for that matter (yes, I'm racist). Vol'jin has never seemed like much of a leader to me, nor does he inspire any Horde pride. He's a second-in-command guy, not suited to be the head honcho. I really don't see him thriving as Warchief. Still, Horde is Horde, and at least it wasn't some prissy Blood Elf.
On serious note: People are upset about vol'jin because its dull suprise, that satisfy noone, doesnt leave blizzard with few options to progress story further, and after entire expansion of blizzard spitting on horde/orc fans, is final slap into face.
I take it you're completely going to disregard the Orcs who were being abducted by the Kor'kron in "Tides of War" before a rebellion was even considered? What about the Orcs at Razor Hill that defected? How about the Orgrimmar Refugees in Razor Hill? Or the Orcs like Nazgrim, that don't agree with what's going on, but are oathbound. Yes, let's toss ALL of that out of the window, so you can have an easier time framing your argument of "All Orcs are bad, I want change, I don't want an Orc Warchief AT ALL!".
Love Vol'Jin other than Carine (now dead) he was the only Horde leader I liked
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Plus, I do not see how one equates one's amount of history with =/= one's worthiness to play a significant current role, anyhow.
Depth of lore is more important than wealth of it.
Yes, few have Thrall beat on either ground (if any), but he is the exception, and always will be. But we all know he gave up the position once before (admittedly to go fight a greater evil, but then once that evil was gone, he still did not return). With the questline with Aggra in Cata, we learn of Thrall's inner desires - a greater one being to relinquish the title of warchief of the Horde for good, so he can raise a family with Aggra. So he, at this point, was automatically out of the running. Anyone paying attention at the time, would've seen this.
Yes, Vol'jin trusts Thrall. I can't believe, though, that he thinks of Thrall as the baseline for the orcish race, especially not after the battlefield in the Barrens and what we see in the raid itself.Interestingly enough, I think I remember Vol'jin saying something along the lines of: "Da Horde be needin its true Warchief, now, more den eva", granted Trolls can't fucking speak properly so I may have misheard.
And yet, going into the raid, look at how many orcs back Garrosh versus how many defect to the rebellion.Garrosh=/=The Orcs. Vol'jin rebelled because Garrosh tried to have him assassinated, the others rebelled because Garrosh himself had pissed every single one of them off.
But when the chips were down, all of them fell in line behind Vol'jin. Even Sylvanas, the Horde's resident narcissistic borderline-sociopath, backed him up rather than do her own thing as per usual.Vol'jin hardly did anything to pull the revolution together, if anything we should be praising Garrosh for doing that. The Darkspear Rebellion was ready to form at a moments notice, Lor'themar was planning on doing it before Vol'jin's rebellion even started.
He wasn't pleased, but he realized it had to happen. Part of being a smart leader is knowing when your buddy's got a good point. Vol'jin could have told Baine that he didn't need the Alliance and gotten the revolutionaries slaughtered in a three-way war; instead, he smartened up, listened to Baine (because, having made friendly contact with the Alliance before, Baine just might be onto something there), and when an adventurer swung by, basically appointed that adventurer his de facto contact within the Alliance until contact could be established with Varian.Actually, no that's wrong. Baine was the one who suggested Vol'jin look for "Aid outside of the Horde", Vol'jin knew that Baine was right and that it was necessary, but wasn't pleased with the thought.
See, if your outlining of Thrall's intentions regarding the position of warchief were true, then how come the story turned out as it did? You are in denial my friend, Blizz write the story, this outcome was their intention, not your perceived "real" outcome that never came to pass. You are seeing what you want to see, and selectively ignoring that which doesn't fit into your perspective.
Last edited by Dat Guy; 2013-09-15 at 04:07 PM.
I assume you're going to disregard:
Metzen: Hey Horde! You're getting your Warchief back!
Blizzard: We may have misspoke earlier in regards to the Warchief.
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