What about the Horde EVER made you think "democracy"?
You know even the Alliance is ruled by a monarch, right? This IS medieval fantasy. And the Horde is more primal than that even...
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The majority of the Horde playerbase are Blood Elves. I guess because they're PRETTY ^_^ :P *sparkle sparkle*
Le sigh.
(disclaimer: I love my Blood Elf Priest)
There was a man with a tiny mustache leading an army of swastikas in Germany in the early 1940's that thought like this. Oh, and Garrosh too. You sure you want to mimic that sort of attitude? Besides, I find this claim of yours unsubstantiated. What makes trolls inferior? They certainly come across as morally superior to the orcs this expansion; at least they weren't stabbing their allies in the back. Tsk, tsk...
You mean the Theron who just recently was in negotiations with the Alliance about rejoining them?
You mean Baine who is best buds with the Human kings son, Anduin, and never agreed with Garrosh on anything?
Nazgrel? From Thrallmar? Huh? Or you mean Nazgrim, Garroshes lackey?
Aggra? Really? Aggra?
Nah, of all the Horde leadership only Saurfang and Voljin are fit to be Warchief. Saurfang because he is Saurfang, and Voljin because he is one of the 3 original leaders of the New Horde. Thrall resigned the position, Cairne is dead, Voljin is still around, he is qualified and he earned it. Thrall failed big time with Garrosh by appointing him, and by not preventing Theramore despite Jaina's pleas. Voljin stepped up and brought the Horde back from the brink of collapse from within.
I have a feeling most of the Horde player hate against Voljin comes from butthurt Belfs who wanted their boy Theron to be the Warchief. Which would have been a horrible idea by any measure.
Last edited by Mihalik; 2013-09-16 at 02:02 AM.
Monarchy makes sense. This is just Thrall...who is NOT warchief anymore...just picking out Vol'jin. I was hoping because there's no precedence for this that the horde citizenry would have been more involved. Maybe like something in public with a huge crowd. Instead it's like a shady backroom deal.
As much as I don't have a problem with Vol'Jin being warchief, I do agree with this, it seemed a little sudden and kinda like Thrall had more to do with it than the other leaders, not sure whether the Bows to him were out of respect or just that they couldn't be bothered to argue with Thrall, especially Sylvanas, Lor'themar and Gallywix. Probably just because it would have taken too much cinematic time otherwise, but I would have liked to see a little more dialogue or debating between the other leaders.
The Horde was never a populist organization. Horde leadership is either hereditary or it the masses simply rallying behind and obeying the strongest of their kind. That is why Garrosh challenged Thrall before. None of the Horde leaders was chosen by their people, they either rule by might or rule by tradition or have been appointed and simply proven fit for the role as in case of Lorthemar who was appointed by Kael'thas, and stayed in power because no one else was fit for it.
Bra? Lok'tar fucking Ogar? What are you in Beta Orgrim Omega or some shit?
I'm just saying Thrall picked the last warchief and we saw how that worked out. I think it would have been cool if there was more interaction from the citizenry, although it probably wouldn't have effected the outcome in this case.
Sylvanas would have been simply told to STFU or GTFO, no one in the Horde is interested in her opinion. And for good reason. Lor'themar didn't have much of position to argue or interest to do so. Gallywix probably simply doesn't care, and again he is one of those people are tolerated rather then accepted by the rest of the Horde. He is a slime ball even by Goblin standards and has hardly any position to argue.
Baine probably approved the decision as it is. Baine has strong isolationist and conciliatory streaks when it comes to the Alliance, plus him and Voljin are buds. Voljin is almost a mentor figure.
Last edited by Mihalik; 2013-09-16 at 02:56 AM.
Yeah I know Baine, Thrall and Vol'jin are all buds, that's why I left them out, it makes sense that they would almost instantly accept the decision. Not sure, surely the other 3 together could have a small say, still, like I said, no massive biggy, was just a little weird to see them bowing almost straight away. Also, was there no Horde pandaren representitive there? Ji firepaw is the only one?
It could only be Vol'jin, Baine is too inexpirienced, had Cairne still been alive, I would have him be the warchief without a doubt. Lor'themar, while he's a good leader and all I don't see many of the other races accepting him as their warchief. Sylvanas is just crazy and while her as warchief would certainly set shit in motion, she'll never gain that title unless it's taken by force. The orcs just lost their racial leader and warchief, who ever they put up as a candidate would most likely receive much resistance from the rest of the horde races, not so much the other leaders, but the people in general. Gallywix is just a big no, I wouldn't trust him with any kind of power, the guy is an asshole. So then we're back at Vol'jin who saw right through Garrosh from the start, who set this whole rebellion against him in motion.
I for one welcome him as our new warchief.
The Alliance follows the humans, more or less, and the humans in Azeroth rule by blood right. In the Horde, they follow the Warchief, and the Warchief rules by might. Vol'jin's revolution found the allies needed to dethrone Garrosh. What we basically saw in that cinematic was a symbolic display of submission, not only by Thrall but by all other likely challengers for that rule by might, they all take their turn to "bare their throats" to him, if you will. Popular sovereignty really isn't a factor among the races of Azeroth.
"Shadows of the Horde" isn't a great book, or a long one, but it does clarify that there was a bit more to Vol'jin's absence than just letting us do all the work.
I figured that:
-Lor'themar was sympathetic to the rebellion, respected Vol'jin and was probably just as happy to have a reasonable Warchief and not have to try to take over the whole Horde himself. Hell that would've been pretty messed up, it would probably not be welcomed by the Horde in Kalimdor and he'd be trying to rule the Horde and Silvermoon at the same time... and remember he still considers himself just the regent.
-Sylvanas certainly prefers Vol'jin or any other Thrall ally to Garrosh (who was openly antagonistic to her and her goals). Seriously doubt she had any designs on the throne of her own (to her the Horde is an alliance of convenience), probably views the whole rebellion as a welcome distraction from her actions in Lordaeron. And well, who knows what schemes she has cooking up? We'll have to wait and see.
-Gallywix, well it's not like anyone cares what he thinks, he doffs his hat because it pays to be nice to the new boss. He probably laid money on the next warchief being Vol'jin before he turned up in the room anyway :P
Isn't Ji Firepaw the leader of the Huojin Pandaren, ie the Horde's Pandaren racial leader? I don't remember exactly who was there, but Taran Zhu was there to represent the Shado-Pan and all of Garrosh's victims in Pandaria. Chen was there somewhere I assume? He was involved in the Barrens campaign at least.