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    Quote Originally Posted by wych View Post
    Like Malfurion I feel Anduin is already too "neutral" to be a leader for the Alliance.
    Well, dead Varian will come Anduin. That's inevitable, the bloodline demands it, no matter how "neutral" Anduin is looking. Until, ofcourse, the seat of power will completely shift to another race, or just another human's kingdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Respectfully disagree.

    The Alliance must be lead by Humans. Key word, must. None of the other races have the Humans resilience, stubborn self confidence (might as well call it arrogance), ambition, zeal, discipline and occasional calculated ruthlessness needed to face down everything the universe can throw at them. Humans fail, make mistakes or even die and they just shrug it off, rise again and keep on marching.

    The Forsaken and Worgen are also just Humans, with certain aspects of their Human nature emphasized. There is a reason why most Forsaken are actually humans, the Lore explains that Humans have the strongest will to live among the races of Azeroth, thus it is easier for them to come back into undeath and to even accept their condition then it is for other races. Same with the Worgen, Worgen are just humans who came closer to their repressed savagery, the one we can witness in the Vrykul in Northrend.

    I know a lot of players just don't like the Humans or their lore, but regardless, I think the Alliance should always be lead by the Humans. Not to mention they put up most of fighting and dying. So it is logical they have the last word when it comes to decision making.

    If something was to happen to Varian before Anduin is ready to rule, the Alliance can be lead by Jaina as leader of the Kirin Tor and regent of Stormwind. But to be honest, as young as Anduin might be, he is already fairly fit to rule.

    P.S. And yes the Dwarves should play a major role in the Alliance, and while I do like Muradin, I actually prefer the new Moira. She seems to be more politically savvy.
    ... as if the Elves and Dwarves can't do that. The Elves survived the first Legion invasion for heaven sakes.

    There really is no reason for Humans to lead.

    In the LotRs, Humans lead because it was soon to be the "Age of Men" where men came into dominance. The last of the Elves were leaving for the Undying Lands and the Dwarves were already in decline long before the events of LotRs.

    In WoW, there is no reason whatsoever and even if they added one now it would seem contrived and "too convenient".
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  3. #103
    High General Turalyon as the new Supreme Commander of the Alliance! Calling it now!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    High General Turalyon as the new Supreme Commander of the Alliance! Calling it now!
    no thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    The orcs will be lead by an orc, obviously, like the blood elves were and are lead by Lor'themar.

    It's just that the leader of the Horde is not an orc.
    this is something that needs to be stickied on every forum.
    If it's not an elf, leave it on the shelf.
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  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    no thank you
    Why not?

    I agree that the Alliance does not have to have a "High King" who is the leader of all races, but rather that all races should have their own leaders to ensure their interests.

    However it is true that the Alliance as a whole needs a representative, an organizer, ultimately, someone who can bring together all members of the Alliance to achieve the common objectives, and that is the task of the Supreme Commander of the Alliance.

    The last Supreme Commander of the Alliance was the revered Sir Lothar. But now that Sir Lothar is dead, his heir, the High General Turalyon, must have that duty.

    When Turalyon returns, I am sure he will accept willingly that role.


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    Given the massive "succes" of vol'jin becoming warchief, my vote goes to gelbin mekkatorque for "high" king of alliance, archpriestess of elune, prophet of draenei and member of council of three hammers. He will bring glory to alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowraven View Post
    Thank you for expressing my opinion before me. I agree. Alliance should be ruled by a council with leaders from each nation. Just like before this High King bullshit.
    "There must always be a High King."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    High General Turalyon as the new Supreme Commander of the Alliance! Calling it now!
    I'd support this for the simple reason that he's not a racial leader and so removes the problem of Varian over stepping the idea of his role purely being militaristic. The Alliance also needs a Paladin somewhere again as for a class that really came to define the Alliance there haven't been any major Alliance Paladins in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Why not?

    I agree that the Alliance does not have to have a "High King" who is the leader of all races, but rather that all races should have their own leaders to ensure their interests.

    However it is true that the Alliance as a whole needs a representative, an organizer, ultimately, someone who can bring together all members of the Alliance to achieve the common objectives, and that is the task of the Supreme Commander of the Alliance.

    The last Supreme Commander of the Alliance was the revered Sir Lothar. But now that Sir Lothar is dead, his heir, the High General Turalyon, must have that duty.

    When Turalyon returns, I am sure he will accept willingly that role.
    Turalyon would have the same effect as Varian as High King. Since most things happening in WoW is about a war of some sort, Turalyon will always occupy the front scene. People will then start bitching that they don't see the racial leaders enough. Or they will complain that they interact with a general of the Alliance, a servant of the racial leaders, while Horde players get to answer directly to their leaders.

    Besides, Turalyon has been gone for 30 years! I repeat : 30 years! He has no idea of what happened during all this time. If he reappears next patch, maybe he could get that role the expansion after. But even then, it will probably WoW's last expansion, so Anduin will be leading the Army of the Light. Turalyon may be back, but he will never be Supreme Commander of the Alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Turalyon would have the same effect as Varian as High King. Since most things happening in WoW is about a war of some sort, Turalyon will always occupy the front scene. People will then start bitching that they don't see the racial leaders enough. Or they will complain that they interact with a general of the Alliance, a servant of the racial leaders, while Horde players get to answer directly to their leaders.

    Besides, Turalyon has been gone for 30 years! I repeat : 30 years! He has no idea of what happened during all this time. If he reappears next patch, maybe he could get that role the expansion after. But even then, it will probably WoW's last expansion, so Anduin will be leading the Army of the Light. Turalyon may be back, but he will never be Supreme Commander of the Alliance.
    Not at all. Varian is the leader of the humans of Stormwind, which makes him a completely biased leader of the Alliance.

    The Alliance needs a new Supreme Commander, and I insist that the best for this position (once brought up to date) is the High General Turalyon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Not at all. Varian is the leader of the humans of Stormwind, which makes him a completely biased leader of the Alliance.

    The Alliance needs a new Supreme Commander, and I insist that the best for this position (once brought up to date) is the High General Turalyon
    Not more biased than Thrall or Vol'jin as leader of the Horde. Also, Turalyon is a human, and as such, would probably fall under the authority of Varian. Besides, Anduin Lothar himself was not neutral at all. While he was Supreme Commander of the Alliance, he was also Regent or Steward of Azeroth (now Stormwind) while Varian was still in his minority. Technically, he had the power and status of a King, just like Bolvar Fordragon while Varian was missing. When Lothar died, King Terenas II took his place as leader of the Alliance, with Turalyon appointed by Terenas as its Supreme Commander. The King of Lordaeron succeeded to the Regent Lord of Azeroth at the head of the Alliance.
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    Funny you ask, you course only:

    lil' evil Jaina Proudmoore can be the alliance leader, and its not even unlikely, too as closest advisor to King Varian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    High General Turalyon as the new Supreme Commander of the Alliance! Calling it now!
    he is missed in action(MIA) proberly on a demon world. if he comes ever back he might be turned to evil/possessed.

    Might be very fun he returns and instantly starts a civil war to purge his non-human neighbors from his realm, to weaken the alliance from within and prepare a BL invasion.

  13. #113
    Sky Admiral Rogers for High Queen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    "There must always be a High King."
    "No High King rules forever my son"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowraven View Post
    "No High King rules forever my son"
    "Father, is it over?"
    No, my son. You will respawn in 2 hours."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    Why not?

    I agree that the Alliance does not have to have a "High King" who is the leader of all races, but rather that all races should have their own leaders to ensure their interests.

    However it is true that the Alliance as a whole needs a representative, an organizer, ultimately, someone who can bring together all members of the Alliance to achieve the common objectives, and that is the task of the Supreme Commander of the Alliance.

    The last Supreme Commander of the Alliance was the revered Sir Lothar. But now that Sir Lothar is dead, his heir, the High General Turalyon, must have that duty.

    When Turalyon returns, I am sure he will accept willingly that role.
    Turalyon has been away for decades. When last he was around, the orcs were being rounded up in internment camps, the elves of Quel'Thalas were still friendly to humans, and nobody had even a clue that Kalimdor existed, let alone the races living on it. There was no Lich King, no Scourge, and what the fuck are these Old Gods you're speaking of? The terrible things that happened during and Mists of Pandaria involve places and people he would never even have heard of. If the Alliance is to be led by anyone, it should be someone who knows about all of these things.


    My personal vote goes to the Night Elves. They were fighting for Azeroth's preservation before humans even existed. Ideally the political side of things would be handled by a council, but in times of war, Shandris Feathermoon for Supreme Commander 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Turalyon is a human, and as such, would probably fall under the authority of Varian.
    Probably not. He's on the same position of Tirion Fordring, a member of the fallen kingdom of Lordaeron, and Varian is not the leader of the human race, he's just the leader of the kingdom of Stormwind. Difference between Tirion and Turalyon is that the latter has never been exiled, but just "missed in action", so he remained a member of the Alliance all along.

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    "Father, is it over?"
    No, my son. You will respawn in 2 hours."
    "Damn it."
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    Its in the name "Alliance" whatever about anduin for stormwind, But the leader of the alliance is a wrong statement , there is no single leader of the UN as an example or the EU, its a commity or well "council" per - say, this would work well with the "Alliance"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extoz View Post
    Its in the name "Alliance" whatever about anduin for stormwind, But the leader of the alliance is a wrong statement , there is no single leader of the UN as an example or the EU, its a commity or well "council" per - say, this would work well with the "Alliance"
    Yeah, they should make the Alliance as weak as the UN or EU...

    No, thank you. The Alliance is closer to NATO. And even that is not entirely true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlokyldoreifanggore View Post
    No, Tirion Fordring has made it pretty clear in past expansions (before he moved out of his hut in EP, even) that he sees neither true good or evil in the Alliance or Horde, and that he is not even remotely interested in any racial warfare between the two. I like him a lot, but the only alliance-esque thing I'd want him doing is putting Ashbringer through Sylvanas's skull if she tries to plague the land (even more) that he's purified.

    If anything I'd like to see Genn Greymane, and the Gilnean worgen take charge. Seeing as how the Gilneans have strong ties to the elves and stronger ties to the humans, I think they'd be the capable race of ensuring that Kalimdor and the EK's forces are united enough to take charge. Or just appoint Moira in charge. Let the little lady strut her stuff and make the Alliance a dark and powerful force willing to do whatever it takes to "honorably" advance their position.
    This, all the lore behind Tirion shows him a factionless bro. He is cool, but he remains that way by being his own side.

    Also, Tyrande Whisperwind.

    Her thousands of years of leadership > everyone else lololol.

    Though I guess there is Velen but /snore he never talks. =/
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