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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie081 View Post
    The problem I've had is with people deliberately killing the Highwing Albatross birds when they know people are using them, of course not everyone does it though.
    Why use the slow route when you can simply swim to a fatigue zone fly up and use slow fall or one of the gliders that you can buy for 1k coins.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbotef View Post
    Is WoW the only MMO you play or have ever played? WoW has the worst world PVP out of any MMO I've played since 2000 and that says a lot, and yes Blizzard is lazy with it and it shows with half-assed gimmicks like the Blood Coins.

    Dark Age of Camelot, Darkfall Warhammer Online, hell, even GW2's fake world PVP are better examples of World PVP done right. I hope they eventually nerf/rework this Censure shit into the ground.
    How do you even get the thought that WoW is the only MMO I've played or the first? I didn't even comment on the quality of the pvp experience. I just commented that PvP in WoW is inherently unfair, unbalanced, and world PvP is unstructured. I think it has its place in games. I don't play wow for PvP, nor do I think its implemented the best, but I also understand the rules that govern WoW PvP servers. The rules are basically there are no rules except no explotation of the game mechanics or environment. I don't understand why people complain when a hostile target attacks them, regardless of faction. It isn't as if the opponent just instantaneously pops censer then one shots you. The censer has a cast time and drops a players hp to dangerous levels. It takes time to recover, certainly enough time that if you're around you can either attack first, or defend yourself. I don't expect anything from PvP servers other than mindless ganking. I hope that it sometimes leads to epic battles, and sometimes it does.

    If you don't want to endure mindless ganking, PvP servers aren't for you. That much has been clear since WoW began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shockzalot View Post
    This whole concept totally eludes you. I'm on a high pop server, there tends to be a pack with the censer roaming around ganking people, if I use the censer to avoid them I expose myself to the other 95-98% of the people on the island and I get mobbed. What sense does your statement make? How do I use a 10 second cast item in a gy with 40 hostile players standing on top of me? Hmmmmmmm? I'd like to hear some more brilliant ideas, share some more.
    If you're worried about the 95% of other players killing you...why wouldn't those players kill the players with censer that are killing you? You can't have it both ways. As far as brilliant ideas, run to another graveyard, or omg corpse run! 1 death run should get you to rez far enough away.

  3. #263
    World PVP obsolete and should be removed from the game, or at least limited to certain zones on each continent where you don't have to do stuff as an innocent bystander. If you want to PVP, sign up for arena or battlegrounds where it belongs. There you will meet a more or less balanced team and you have to work to win. Isn't that the point of that aspect of the game? Use your skill to win against equal opponents? I guess some people find it easier to form a team and steamroll unorganized people with crap gear and little pvp experience. Chickenshit cowards...

    My friends were determined to go to a specific realm which happened to be PVP, and now I have too many alts and contacts here to move. Lucky for me, I belong to the dominating faction, but this bloody coin farm might prove to become a true hell. Soon you have to 40-man raid the island to get things done.
    Bad move, Blizz!
    Mother pus bucket!

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    Well, if you could actually read, you would see that the majority of the OP's complaints would also happen on a PvE realm.
    Unless you flag yourself willingly, no, it won't.

    Do you feel stupid? At least a little? :P
    Last edited by Vindican; 2014-02-05 at 03:36 PM.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Vindican View Post
    Unless you flag yourself willingly, no, it won't.

    Do you feel stupid? At least a little? :P
    Calling someone stupid is not helpful. What is more, you are wrong, the PvE server ruleset does not apply on the TI. If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankbug View Post
    World PVP obsolete and should be removed from the game, or at least limited to certain zones on each continent where you don't have to do stuff as an innocent bystander. If you want to PVP, sign up for arena or battlegrounds where it belongs. There you will meet a more or less balanced team and you have to work to win. Isn't that the point of that aspect of the game? Use your skill to win against equal opponents? I guess some people find it easier to form a team and steamroll unorganized people with crap gear and little pvp experience. Chickenshit cowards...

    My friends were determined to go to a specific realm which happened to be PVP, and now I have too many alts and contacts here to move. Lucky for me, I belong to the dominating faction, but this bloody coin farm might prove to become a true hell. Soon you have to 40-man raid the island to get things done.
    Bad move, Blizz!
    In case some of you haven't figured it out, the Timeless Isle is an experiement, a huge beta test of some world pvp concepts that blizzard wants to try out. It is a mix of a GW2 leveling/exploration zone and an FFA pvp zone. It doesn't seem to be working out too well.
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    Just pointing this out, I play on an RP-PvE realm and not once have I been force-flagged by an FFA-PvP or flagged Alliance player running into my AoE or standing on loot, or anything else like that. Worst case scenario I'm just more careful about where I click when I see health bars hovering over another player's head.

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  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Vindican View Post
    Unless you flag yourself willingly, no, it won't.

    Do you feel stupid? At least a little? :P

    Be civil, please
    You are wrong, let's see:

    First complaint-
    You have jerks kiting packs of elites from the Archiereus event on to the ship or into the celestial court quest givers/bosses. I have fought celestial bosses on my alt and die instantly when a pack of 8 Archiereus elites come rampaging into the boss area cleaving and shooting fire everywhere. The quest givers have hundreds of skeletons around them from jerks doing this all day and night, the elder turtles that spin for 100k are another popular one that is kited onto players trying to read a quest log. There are players running around with those molten guardians bringing them onto the bridge by Ordos killing players crossing the bridge, they are kiting them onto graveyards you name it, it's being done.
    Kiting mobs on top of players has always happened on PvE servers, people do it to provoke players into flagging themselves to fight back. Or just to grief generally. They'll also stand in AoE and cleaves, which yes, normally won't flag the player, but if they're tabbing through or as mobs die autoattack onto the next target which happens to be the flagged player they'll get themselves flagged. It's pretty common.

    Second complaint:
    Then you have 40 man raids with the censer camping grave yards killing the same people over and over and over until they get bored or mobbed. It's one thing to kill the player, but to camp a GY when you can't even get more bloody coins due to the debuff is just plain asinine. A large volume of players will get mad as hell and rage in /1, but when you try to organize a team to smash them back nobody seems interested. You even have players promising chests, rares, etc and summoning in guppies to be farmed for coins.
    Again, once the griefer has done the above either by provoking or forcing a flag, they can continue to behave as demonstrated here. However, the likelyhood of getting some support from others is even less likely, since no one wants to actually PvP (including, or rather especially the griefer; or else they'd be in an arena or battleground).

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by blackweb View Post
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    I was simply quoting the original poster. Probably should have made that apparent. Oh well, 5 points for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
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    Standing in AOE hasn't forced a flag since pre-3.0 (and that was an actual "forced" flag), and alt-tabbing and selecting another player instead of a mob is a player problem, not a design issue. Put simply, there is no more forced flagging in this game. As such, you are wrong. I am so sorry.

    See Callei's post for a personal example.
    Last edited by Vindican; 2013-09-18 at 05:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindican View Post
    tabbing and selecting another player instead of a mob is a player problem, not a design issue.
    Incorrect. Other games have utilized the option to not flag in any capacity, which completely removes any sort of abusive mechanics or accidental flagging through standard gameplay Especially since abilities are usually setup to autotarget on button press for anyone trying to maximize dps. There is certainly room for improvement, which would be the form of a direct toggle to never allow you to take a pvp action in the world. As such, you are wrong. I am not sorry.

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    I love some things about timeless, the mystery involved...
    There's simply not enough mobs though in my opinion, too many camped.

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    I have to admit, it's a bit unusual seeing people kill their own faction. I don't agree with it, since it takes away from the usual HvA spirit of the game, but it's still nothing to cry over. World PvP without flying mounts is always a good thing in my book.

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    Play on a PVE server - I switched to one after playing on a PVP realm from day one of vanilla until four or five months ago now. The difference is night and day better. Oh, some resil-maxed asshole is running around trying to gank? Good thing I'm not flagged, LOL!!

    ITS SO MUCH BETTER TO PLAY LIKE THIS. Seriously. So much better. I PVP when I feel like it now, not when random_ftard decides that he and his buddies need to hump my leg.

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    On normal server. Never once been flagged

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    I wouldn't mind it except for the fact that PvE gear is so insanely better than PvP gear in world pvp. I don't raid and yet there are people on my server running around in TOT Heroic/SOO normal(maybe some SOO heroic, this week) and its like literally 50-60 item levels in difference. Not to mention when I was with a group on my resto druid trying to world pvp people would just use the ash item thats a 90% mortal strike. I understand it takes a coin to get a coin, so they don't get anything, but its just really stupid. 90% MS and then you die in like 3-4 seconds, through barkskin and shit.

    I would LOVE the world pvp if they balanced pvp and pve gear in world pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyvicious View Post
    Especially since abilities are usually setup to autotarget on button press for anyone trying to maximize dps.
    Player choice. Don't go around hitting a /startattack or /targetnearestenemy macro near flagged players. That's just folly, and the player's fault at that point.

    I do like your use of the phrase "accidental flagging." That's much more accurate than the previous poster's choice of "forced."

    Even still, I wouldn't call them accidents. I'd call tab-targeting mobs near a gaggle of flaggers pushing your luck.

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    Timeless isle has made me realize how much i hate the people on my server >.< Was running around searching for rares noticed a guy with the pvp effect attacking someone so i stopped healed him up then the guy attacking turned on me and the guy i helped activated his pvp thing and they both ganked me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shockzalot View Post
    This new island has brought out the absolute worst of WoW players, the toxic trash of the community. Since when was it cool to grief your own faction?

    You have jerks kiting packs of elites from the Archiereus event on to the ship or into the celestial court quest givers/bosses. I have fought celestial bosses on my alt and die instantly when a pack of 8 Archiereus elites come rampaging into the boss area cleaving and shooting fire everywhere. The quest givers have hundreds of skeletons around them from jerks doing this all day and night, the elder turtles that spin for 100k are another popular one that is kited onto players trying to read a quest log. There are players running around with those molten guardians bringing them onto the bridge by Ordos killing players crossing the bridge, they are kiting them onto graveyards you name it, it's being done.

    Then you have 40 man raids with the censer camping grave yards killing the same people over and over and over until they get bored or mobbed. It's one thing to kill the player, but to camp a GY when you can't even get more bloody coins due to the debuff is just plain asinine. A large volume of players will get mad as hell and rage in /1, but when you try to organize a team to smash them back nobody seems interested. You even have players promising chests, rares, etc and summoning in guppies to be farmed for coins.
    although much of what you say is true, I wonder how long till this thread gets the can?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindican View Post
    Even still, I wouldn't call them accidents. I'd call tab-targeting mobs near a gaggle of flaggers pushing your luck.
    Well I don't agree with 'forced', that would be ridiculous. However your suggestion that tab target is 'wrong' would imply you think clicking is 100% reliable then? B/c you know...trying to click on an npc to pickup/turn in quests, getting flagged, and then getting owned by guards is because of a stupid player and not because of unreliable design right?

    Right?

    Or is your suggestion that people need to start making macros or manually typing to target everything in the game?

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    Yes, the Isle can be a giant cluster fuck at times....BUT, if you don't like it, don't go there.

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    Me and few hunter buds made a group first week of this crap and went around and gank every ally player we found with Censer on them...got quite a few horde same time.....talk about raging from those we took out haha....you don't want to piss off a bunch of hunters esp those that pvp quite a lot even though we play on a PVE realm....lol. This week so far its been really quiet on our realm on the Isle ...time will tell esp with coming weekend...I figure those douches are a bit busy with new raid and all early in the week.

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