People seem to always forget the orcs were always about war even before the legion
although pre legion, it was just small wars against themselves, and ogres.
Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.
Never assume an ogre's stupid, that's when they'll get you.
Also, the "only a white man should be president." compairson that you, and many others have tried to make is incredibly stupid, don't try to make that argument.
A closer comparison (Not entirely accurate, by any means) would be a hypothetical situation involving an immigrant from the United Kingdom trying to run for PotUS.
as an undead player, I feel a troll warchief was the best thing that has ever happened to the horde.
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
Troll the master race. /bow before the warchief voodoo man
Except think about the story telling potential the orcs have now for the next few expansions. It's no secret that the orcs have and will always be Blizzard's darling race and you can guarantee that there's going to be some sort of orc development in the works. The orcs have hit their low point in MoP, yes, but this is actually a good thing! They have no where else to go but up and they're primed for a good redemption arc in the Dark Below or whatever the next expansion will be. Look at how boring Alliance storytelling has become lately since asides from a few questionable moments, they've pretty much done no wrong and their story has thus stagnated.
They without a doubt need a non-Orc leading them. I know there have been a few great Orcs throughout their history but they've proved as a race as a whole at this point that they're not smart enough to lead themselves in the right direction. I mean, how many times have they dropped the ball? Massacring the Draenei, invading Azeroth, blowing up Draenor, allowing the rise of Garrosh's regime, etc. Yeah, they've screwed up more than enough to prove their incompetence.
The worst part is that they're always quick to point a finger and misdirect the blame. Always the victim, never responsible. It's always the action of the few they say that made the majority go along with all the insanity. All because of Orcs like Nazgrim who would knowingly serve a madman and yet remain loyal all because "Herp derp honor! Cause thinking for myself hurts my head!" Nazgrim, the perfect example of how Orcs are typically as dumb as bricks. But he'll be remembered with reverence. Much like Grom Hellscream, a savage bloodthirsty monster, is hailed as hero after all the atrocities he reveled in committing. After all the darkness he helped bring down on his people. All because at the end of his disgusting life he performed one single act of good that is far over shadowed by the legacy he wrought. Ridiculous.
So yes, it is about time someone else has stepped in to control them. Vol'jin who has always been a wise and sensible leader to his people. Who was brave enough to stand against Garrosh's tyranny. Who embodies the strength of brotherhood that the Horde represents. Perhaps now the green skinned neanderthals can be kept in line and on a path to a better future.
They were at war with the Ogre's and I believe it's been mentioned in the lore that the clans often battled each other way before the demons ever showed up. Orc's are a belligerent race, please stop trying to associate shamanism with pacifism.The orcs of Draenor had lived in a noble shamanistic society, roaming in tribes the grasslands of Nagrand on their dusty world of Draenor, for over 5,000 years. They lived in peace with the draenei and were at war with the ogres.
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Yes, 5.4 proved orcs really need spoilers.
"They haven't made packs with demons" no, just the fucking firelord who could turn the world to cinder.
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And then you say "No thats wrong, because not all dwarves have done that so you can't accuse all dwarves of doing that"
And yet for some reason in your mind, you think all orcs can be generalized into one group of just being green monsters who want to commit genocide against all.
Well theres shit in your coffee, if you can make a generalization of all orcs as such, the same applies to dwarves and there worship of chaos.
the "only a white man should be president" comparison is in fact idiotic, it's comparing real world human culture in which some people have bias against specific ethnicities to a fantasy culture in which a now multi-generational leadership role for one race is being passed to another because the very first person from the orcs that they thought of wasn't sure he was fit to lead the horde after being away for so long. when a leadership position has become engrained into your culture it is a monumental change for it to suddenly be passed to a different group, no matter how close they are. it would be akin to having varian die and instead of anduin getting the throne it goes to muradin. it's not a matter of "well we don't like someone because *insert stupid bias here*" it's "well we're changing something everyone's known for ages because of a decision we're making on the spot".
this one I don't agree on, as others have pointed out yes the warchief title has always been an orc one BUT it is also a standard of each version of the horde, as one of the 3 original new horde races orcs would be much closer to official citizens and, going off the comparison you used, would thus be legally allowed to try for the role. in more game specific phrasing, they're IN the horde, they're not one of the groups no one else in the horde really trusts with something important, and vol'jin has proven his loyalty several times.
going entirely on topic, no it's not proof, no they don't need a non orc leader to be "good" any more than humans need a non human leader to be good or dwarves and nightelves need a non (oh wait, varian's doing that for them, astounding how complaints about that are getting less common in favor of saying orcs are nothing but bloodthirsty monsters that need to be led by the nose.) and the fact blizzard uses them as a fallback group for faction aggression is part of what I see as the biggest failing in WoW storytelling, when the factions have a war all good racial development goes out the window for both groups.
...at this point it's almost guaranteed that "war in warcraft" is garrosh getting on his incompetent podium to declare yet another group his enemy for the crime of breathing his air, alliance saying this is horde favoritism, and the more....special....yes.. let's go with special... horde players seeing garrosh as a god because he lets them attack the alliance players who keep saying that out being led by a moron is horde favoritism.