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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    What pissed me off in WoW storyline? No mention about dwarfs! Seriously, after Mangi petrifited there is little lore about dwarfs... If we consider Blood In The Snow scenario, sure but not what i excepted...

    Honestly? Where is also a lore about Draenei? That Velen come to Swamp Of Sorrows mean nothing.
    The problem with Velen is he doesn't really care for such trivial conflicts, even though he vows to support the Alliance, his main goal is the Army of light and everything else is secondary, if Velen hadn't returned from his seclusion, the Draenei would have left Azeroth.

  2. #102
    Well someone showed a Twitter Screenshot ina thread from Metzen when someone asked "Will there be peace now between horde and alliance" and he replied. "Well the game isnt called peacecraft"

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    Well someone showed a Twitter Screenshot ina thread from Metzen when someone asked "Will there be peace now between horde and alliance" and he replied. "Well the game isnt called peacecraft"
    It will be cold war again, for a few years most likely,if they continue the faction wars, it would be nice if the Alliance becomes the aggressor, burns down a couple of horde towns or nations and gets beaten into submission for a change, otherwise it would be rather dull.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Vongimi View Post
    Varian states that their goal now, instead of crushing the horde and losing thousands of alliance soldiers invading Thunder Bluff, is to prevent another Garrosh from rising. He than indicates that they want to clean Gilnaes of the plague and contain Sylvannas. This is implying he believe Sylvannas will be the "next Garrosh" and doesn't want her gaining to much power.
    There's a massive difference between crushing the entire Horde and telling them, "You're beaten and broken. As a sign of your honor, you're to pull out of the lands you took by force or else we will end you."

    To retake lands stolen as an act of war under Garrosh isn't asking too much of the new leader. It's a sign of faith that they actually want peace too. Instead, he packed up ship, sailed home with the worded threat that if you don't behave, daddy Varian will come back and spank you. He then claimed that the Alliance would retake Gilneas and cure the curse.

    Instead of making the demands a true leader would have while the enemy was weak, he went home to let them strengthen themselves back to a proper fighting force. Then, if they misbehave, it will cost millions more lives then it would have had he made the demands today and followed up immediately if action wasn't taken.

    Sure, it's a game and you can't just trade lands willy nilly because of leveling purposes, but once you hit 90, there's no reason phasing can't kick in to show those lands reclaimed by the Alliance. Blizzard doesn't want to put in that story telling patch though, although 4.3 was fine to show the Horde uprising in action. We can't get a 5.5 to show the aftermath and reclamation of lands by the Alliance in those areas taken by Garrosh's Horde.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It will be cold war again, for a few years most likely,if they continue the faction wars, it would be nice if the Alliance becomes the aggressor, burns down a couple of horde towns or nations and gets beaten into submission for a change, otherwise it would be rather dull.
    Problem with that is yourll have horde saying "Blizzard favor the alliance." seems no matter what they do the playerbase will always say "Blizzard favors <faction> more in this expansion."

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    Problem with that is yourll have horde saying "Blizzard favor the alliance." seems no matter what they do the playerbase will always say "Blizzard favors <faction> more in this expansion."
    That will happen regardless, whatever they do, people will always whine, so let the Alliance kick in some horde teeth, scoring major victories against the forsaken and orcs for example, or something like the Kirin Tor trying to take over Quel'thalas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanthony View Post
    Problem with that is yourll have horde saying "Blizzard favor the alliance." seems no matter what they do the playerbase will always say "Blizzard favors <faction> more in this expansion."
    The playerbase would probably complain if a Blizz employee appeared at every player's door, personally handing them an eternal gamecard code.

    Would probably be something like "I've been paying for the game since Vanilla, Mists kiddos get free WoW as well? Seriously Blizz?"

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    The problem with Velen is he doesn't really care for such trivial conflicts, even though he vows to support the Alliance, his main goal is the Army of light and everything else is secondary, if Velen hadn't returned from his seclusion, the Draenei would have left Azeroth.
    That possible scenario, why? Velen mentioned in few ocasions about army of the light... But if he will don't care about Alliance, he will refuse to heal Anduin and shows him his visions... I guess in all this years, when Draenei landed in Azeroth, find a good ally for his crusade against Legion...

    Otherwise also... Most races in alliance, believe to holy light religion. But night elves believe to Elune, but this is same as holy light for night elves?

    The main interesing question, is what future brings with Gilneas or Gnomeregan. Or maybe with Dark Iron Dwarves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    What pissed me off in WoW storyline? No mention about dwarfs! Seriously, after Mangi petrifited there is little lore about dwarfs... If we consider Blood In The Snow scenario, sure but not what i excepted...
    I personally want to see the Ironforge Dwarves and Muradin take the spotlight for the Dwarves atm. The Dark Irons have been thoroughly introduced to the Alliance and shown as willing soldiers and members. The focus now needs to return to the playable Dwarves. Give Muradin a larger military role, heck have him as second in command of the Alliance military or something like that.

    Dwarves are my favorite race but I wouldn't say their story is exactly dire. They have received a constant trickle of lore for quite a while now. Wrath had a lot to do with the Titans and also touches upon Muradin's friendship with Arthas. Cata featured the return of Moira and introduction of the Dark Irons along with the Wildhammers playing a more centralized role in Dwarven politics as well as the Wildhammer story in the Twilight Highlands. In MoP we have a scenario demonstrating the role of the Dark Irons in the Alliance.

    I'd like them to be shown as far more central to the Alliance than they currently are, kinda like how the Trolls have been shown in the Horde. But at the end of the day they really aren't skint on lore.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesoPL View Post
    Honestly? Where is also a lore about Draenei? That Velen come to Swamp Of Sorrows mean nothing.
    What needs to be done with the Draenei is a secondary character needs to be established. One who exemplifies the zealous nature of the Draenei and some of their flaws and is willing to encourage military actions. Maraad would fit this role pretty damn well. He's a well respected Vindicator who's also been shown to be a little bit arrogant in the face of many of the Alliance races (He didn't seem overly fond of the Humans in Velen's short story) and very faithful in the Light.

    Velen does need to appear at some point. However he is characterized by his constant meditation to view the future of the universe and while he may have completely agreed with the Alliances actions against the Horde during MoP, he himself still sees his "path" as more important. So for him to not personally appear makes sense. It's also worth bearing in mind that the Draenei have been portrayed as incredibly protective of him, they don't want any harm to come to him. Heck they were shocked when he got blood and dirt on his robes "The Prophet lowered himself to the muddied, trampled, bloodied ground, his hooves touching down. There was a collective gasp from the other draenei as the muck stained the end of the Prophet's robes.".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    I'm not underplaying the actions of the orcs in the past, but your argument is hardly fair. Azshara, Xavius, Kael'thas, Arthas and Kel'thuzad are all traitors of their own races. Right there is the big difference between then and characters like Orgrim and Grom. Those are venerated because they are indeed orcish heroes that acted for the best of the orcish race.
    Pretty much this. A fair comparison would be if the orcs would keep venerating Gul'dan, and indeed Gul'dan is not venerated, is treated like a foul betrayer, and in fact he betrayed his people, he sell all of them to the Legion so that he could satisfy his egoistical lust of god-like powers.

    Gul'dan and Azshara are some of the worst non-corrupted villains of Warcraft's history, if we consider that people like Arthas, Kael'thas, Illidan, hell, even Garrosh, had some good intentions at some point or just initially. Gul'dan and Azshara were egoistical bastards caring for themselves alone by the beginning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keyblader View Post
    It's a general rule though that if you play horde you are a bad person irl. It's just a scientific fact.
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    The game didn't give me any good reason to hate the horde. Forums did that.

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