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  1. #961
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    Quote Originally Posted by I make people mad View Post
    Oh enough because IT'S NOT A LEGENDARY lets define legendary hell you define it right now do it.
    Legendary item = Item Blizzard deemed special enough to give orange text.

    There. Done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by I make people mad View Post
    Oh enough because IT'S NOT A LEGENDARY lets define legendary hell you define it right now do it.
    jesus, whats with the anger?
    using caps & getting stressed over a post. 21k+ posts in 2 1/2 years, you really should get out more.
    its a legendary because blizzard says it is. not because some keyboard warrior with more time on his hands than he obviously knows what to with, says otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xdenek View Post
    Actually, yes. Killing Illibobs was significantly more difficult with 1. less gear, 2. having to compose own strategy, 3. no movies. Getting to Illidan wasn't a cakewalk either, shadow gear gear for Shahraz, Gorefiend, Council, Reliq all challenging in their own regard.

    It's a game forum, discussing a game. Competitive is competitive. You were also disingenuous claiming you "three shotted Illidan" - purporting you were one of the very first to drop him.
    Yes. Crafting shadow gear with the hearts of darkness that the raids threw at you was SO hard.
    You dont know shit.
    I actually raided BT when it was relevant, and we downed Thrillidan.
    We carried several people several times because our roster changed due to people quitting or rerolling.
    We didnt bother going though Karazan=>gruul/maghteridon=>SSC/TK.

    It was not hard, and there were most certainly guides.
    Your ignorance doesnt make content hard.

    The cloak is far more legendary than any "legendary" up until valanyr.
    RNG doesnt make somethign legendary.

    The effort and time required to get it does.
    And no shit there are more cloaks than any other legendary, they finally had the sense to do away with silly bullshit class restricted legendaries.
    Your worst dps is a hunter? Too bad, the legendary can only be used by hunters. have fun squandering such a powerfull item (although the bow was actually really good for rogues too)

    You're all pissing acid because you arent little speshiul snowflakes anymore.
    Get fucking over yourselves, you werent important to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    Have you done heroic raiding before?
    I have, actually.

    There are always a few lazy bastards in each group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    So - a guild does crap loads of work, then one person gets a nice shiny = real legendary ?
    An individual does the same amount of work as that one person did and gets nice shiny = welfare legendary ?

    Clear now. Real legendary requires you to be carried by goods, welfare legendary requires you to be carried by bads.

    Makes sense now.
    You obviously didn't read the the post. It was on the individual to get the insane number of quests done on the side as well.

    If you got glaives day 1 of them being available you were not carried get that in your head. People like you would have never cleared BT when it was relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trafalgarlaw View Post
    Yes. Crafting shadow gear with the hearts of darkness that the raids threw at you was SO hard.
    You dont know shit.
    I actually raided BT when it was relevant, and we downed Thrillidan.
    We carried several people several times because our roster changed due to people quitting or rerolling.
    We didnt bother going though Karazan=>gruul/maghteridon=>SSC/TK.

    It was not hard, and there were most certainly guides.
    Your ignorance doesnt make content hard.

    The cloak is far more legendary than any "legendary" up until valanyr.
    RNG doesnt make somethign legendary.

    The effort and time required to get it does.
    And no shit there are more cloaks than any other legendary, they finally had the sense to do away with silly bullshit class restricted legendaries.
    Your worst dps is a hunter? Too bad, the legendary can only be used by hunters. have fun squandering such a powerfull item (although the bow was actually really good for rogues too)

    You're all pissing acid because you arent little speshiul snowflakes anymore.
    Get fucking over yourselves, you werent important to begin with.
    You obviously didn't kill Illidan when it was relevant because you couldn't carry people on him until he was nerfed.

    Also collecting hearts for SR gear was about as hard as say oh I don't know half of the quests for the current legendary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I make people mad View Post
    Oh enough because IT'S NOT A LEGENDARY lets define legendary hell you define it right now do it.
    An item with it's name in orange.

    That is the one and only definition of a legendary item in WoW. Orange = Legendary. Legendary = Orange. Period.

    This cloak is legendary. Because it's name is in orange. End of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzalix View Post
    An item with it's name in orange.

    That is the one and only definition of a legendary item in WoW. Orange = Legendary. Legendary = Orange. Period.

    This cloak is legendary. Because it's name is in orange. End of discussion.
    If I write a label of the word orange, and put it on an apple , it does not make an apple an orange. It is still an apple.

    Very much the same as this 'legendary'. You can label it legendary all you want, but the amount of them, the ease of attaining, and the fact all 10-25 people in a raid group can have it with ease make it from 'legendary'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post

    You obviously didn't kill Illidan when it was relevant because you couldn't carry people on him until he was nerfed.
    Yes, yes you absolutely could. You could carry 2 or 3 people in every fight pre Sunwell plateau, and every fight in Sunwell bar Muru. Just because people were worse at the game then doesn't make it harder. Get over yourself.
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    None of the legendaries were "hard" to get. They were RNG fests, but not hard. The only difference now is that you don't have to drag 9/24/39 others with you to get one piece of gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrissey View Post
    If I write a label of the word orange, and put it on an apple , it does not make an apple an orange. It is still an apple.

    Very much the same as this 'legendary'. You can label it legendary all you want, but the amount of them, the ease of attaining, and the fact all 10-25 people in a raid group can have it with ease make it from 'legendary'.
    So Tarecgosa's Rest wasn't a legendary either?
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    To anyone saying you could carry people through raids previously: Yeah, sure, but would you give them the legendary? Also, even getting carried by a hardcore guild requires more work than finishing LFR.

    I agree that individual legendaries are much better for the game than guild legendaries. But they should require an amount of skill to complete, else it completely devalues the item. At least make the chain require killing the end bosses in normal difficulty (people who have trouble with it can do it in the next patch with the nerfs to the previous tier).

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    Everytime i look at my Thunderfury i think "Dammn those where the good days" yes there was a lot or RNG involved but back then the guild i was in was way past MC and we didnt have a reason to go back too MC damm left bracer needed the right one for months went back in 1 time and it dropped happiest day of my wow life.
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  13. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Nye the Spy View Post
    and everyone could also get it first day to 5.4
    Provided they dedicated the time and effort to HAVE the epic cloak in itself. Such a big deal that Blizzard decided to make the final step not take months of work, after we spent close to the last YEAR on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Nye the Spy View Post
    in short you don't have to be good to get it
    Well, "good" is a relative term, and implying anyone in ToT LFR gear can get it is very much not the case. The 5.3 quest is somewhat overtuned for an average ilevel under 520, which is where most LFR raiders were in 5.3.

    My Paladin (I raid LFR due to work schedule and not wanting to deal with guild drama) pulled it off with a 517 ilevel, I wiped 20-30 times. My buddy's DK who raids Heroic did it one shot, barely even worrying about the mechanics, around a 535+ ilevel...

    Frankly, anyone who did it in LFR gear deserves more props, cause it was actually harder. Anyone who did it in Heroic gear steamrolled it like it was barely there.
    Games are not necessarily "easier" today. You are just a better player.
    It takes more now to impress many gamers than it did 2-5 years ago, because so much has already been seen and done.
    Many players expect to be wow'd with every release of a beloved franchise.
    These are generally NOT the fault of the developers, but the fault of many players over-hyping and/or setting expectations too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naequin View Post
    Except that you actually have to work for the legendary. Admittedly not particularly difficult work, but it's not like it just gets handed to you without you having to lift a finger.
    Yes it does. All you need to do is click Queue for LFR, enter, autoattack, loot said legendary items, quest complete.

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    I don't personally think that the length of time used to obtain a legendary is important in how I perceive it, but the difficulty in obtaining it is important to me.

    I've not been very fond of this legendary series, it hasn't been very engaging and has just been a year long "Gather X of Y" quest line with the very small amount of lore from Wrathion in between. I don't consider this a Welfare Legendary, but I wouldn't really call this a Legendary Questline either.

    Everyone has been able to obtain it and there isn't any major skill or determination required to obtain it, just throwing a few months at a raid is all it takes. I think Legendaries should require players to go above and beyond the call of duty, where this has just required them to go about their normal activities anyway.

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    What is "legendary" about an item if everyone has it (or can have it)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatwsntmilk View Post
    What is "legendary" about an item if everyone has it (or can have it)?
    Legendary is the quality, not the rarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    So Tarecgosa's Rest wasn't a legendary either?
    DW had less wielders than the cloak already has. Much less there wasn't nearly as many of them than the forums would have you believe. 2-3 per guild typically if you ran 25 man. 1-2 if you ran 10 if that even.

    Also legendary has to do with Lore. There was only 1 legendary to date that really had no sense in the scheme of things and that was thoridal. Rogue daggers were a stretch but yeah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morrissey View Post
    If I write a label of the word orange, and put it on an apple , it does not make an apple an orange. It is still an apple.

    Very much the same as this 'legendary'. You can label it legendary all you want, but the amount of them, the ease of attaining, and the fact all 10-25 people in a raid group can have it with ease make it from 'legendary'.
    Except this analogy doesnt work for this. Not everything needs an analogy. Orange =Legendary. Period. That has always been the only definition of legendary.
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    Bottom line: Never care what other people think. If you are in a raiding guild and your guild is happy with you, then nobody else matters. Screw them.

    As an aside, I cannot wait for the item squish to come in which will drop the legendary cloak into the realm of awesome only for as long as it takes them to release the next expansion where the first green cloak you find will be better. The rage will be wonderful to watch.

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