Treat those people who give you poop about your "welfare" cloak just like you would any idiot in LFR / LFD... ignore and dont give them a second thought.
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You're more than welcome to check the dates on my achievements for TBC, or any other expansion for that matter. Either I raided an ungodly amount on day one of achievements and miraculously went from nothing to full clear, or I had actually cleared everything before it was implemented (spoilers, it's the latter).
people seriusly tend to forget how big jump in skills raiders got over the years - in TBC most people were still learning stuff if BT was releaset today with the ptr research with all the addons with how all the timers for everything can estimate stuff to 0.1 sec with how classes got brought up to par and most importantly with what current hc raiders are capable of then there would be ton more people progressing through it and ton more people runing around with glavies glavies
The color of the item is legendary but that is where it stops so the bolded part is flawed.
Legendary implies it is rare like they have been previously in WoW.
So to me it is not legendary other then the color code when mouseovering the item.
Second sentence on WoWwiki about Legendary.Generally there are very few of these items on any given server.
Point is, historically speaking legendary has little to do with the color code but all to do with it being rare and powerful.
See where your reasoning is flawed?
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@Kangodo: Yes. You had to Raid BT when it was actually Content. Which means - When Kael'thas hadn't been killed once. Yes it's not much. You just had to raid to get the Glaives. But did everyone kill Illidan when he was actually content? Often enough to get both Glaives, since the drop rate was and is low enough to make it work? No. Not everyone could. You had to rely on your group. You had to progress all the way up to Illidan, kill his sorry ass and then - grind. I don't think the Cloak was a bad Idea tbh. But it is welfare, since everyone with A LITTLE luck and time could get it. Even through LFR. People are mad or call it welfare just because of that. Because you don't have to do at least somewhat challenging raid content to get to it. It doesn't matter if it's a drop of a Boss. If the Boss is difficult enough it isn't welfare anymore. It's only welfare to decent players, with a somewhat skilled raid and with a better Raid Performance than everyone else that can carry the Legendary.
Short: Cloak Welfare because it's just simple grinding. Other Legendaries aren't welfare since it wasn't just your own sorry ass who worked towards the Legendary and you actually had to Raid.
Actually, world first Illidan kill was one month (4 weeks) after the patch came out, by Nihilim. They got the world first Archimonde kill a couple days later, too. Black Temple and Hyjal Summit were both only gated behind attunement questlines that required solo content and some clearing of older raid content, of course.
I'm happy it's over, as a class that didn't get a legendary it fucking sucked, it didn't feel epic and it didn't feel like you were working towards something, you just knew somebody who was sucking the GM's dick and might not even be as good as you and other raiders is going to walk away with a legendary and the rest of you aren't
I never was eligible for a Legendary but I didn't complain. I'm not whining and coveting what others had. I don't have to have everything.
And I don't know what awful guild you came from but the Legendaries usually went to dedicated players.
I appreciate the RP aspect of Legendaries, it adds a little spice to things.
Whether I see them in Orgrimmar or fight them in a Battleground. It's quite nice to see rare things but I'm not a child and demand I have one.
The old Legendary acquisition method wasn't perfect but it was better than this welfare chit.
Hey guys, you all begged for this, remmember?
Remmember how you cried at end of WotLK? Remmember how you cried during Cata?
Blizzard just did what their faithful audience wanted, and welfare legendaries are just that. No need to be sad now, you didnt want others to be special little snowflakes, and now there really arent any special little snowflakes.
Enjoy it everyone, because this is exactly what you've all been crying for XD
*Oprah Winfrey voice* YOU get a legendary, YOU get a legendary, YOU get a legendary, YOU get a legendary, YOU get a legendary. EVERYBODY GETS A LEGENDARY!
Go look up every attunement and the pre req quests like cipher of damnation. There was a total of close to 50 quests involved stretching from ciper of damnation and all the pre reqs to kara to ssc to tk to bt.
Sounds like someone didn't get into BT before the attunement was removed.
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Cipher of Damnation quest line. Attunement to Kara. Nightbane Quest line. Attunement to SSC. Attunement to TK. Attunement to BT because all of those were pre reqs to get into BT. Those quest lines all outshined the supposed work involved in getting the current legendary.
If that long quest chain item is not "legendary", then those previous legendaries would not be legendary either. Random drops are not more legendary.
Also, 24 people working for 1 player to get the item, is not legendary either.