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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWilson View Post
    If you want a shrinked penis: Yes
    Otherwise: No
    Post of the year right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salystra View Post
    @Ayarez - Hence why I suggested you check your diet levels and then supplement as needed to the OP, when I started I was consuming 6+ shakes a day in the hope to build. This was before I chose to take further advice and read into it a bit more, the IIFYM site isn't the best but its certainly a good base for those not able/willing to do the macro nutrient calculations.

    Protein doesn't really cause that much weight gain
    6+ a day... that's way too overboard wtf... you're only really suppose to take 2-3, usually one soon as you wake up and one after your workout, and you can have 1 later in the day, but 6, wtf?? Also what's wrong with having your diet have all the protein and also take shakes, my brother and some of my friends eat 3000ish calories a day, 1000 of it being protein shakes (2 a day) and rest being a lot of chicken, etc etc they go to the gym 5-6 times a week though and i'm almost at that stage to start bulking in the next few weeks after I hit my goal weight, already gained a lot of muscle when losing weight though.

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    6+ a day... that's way too overboard wtf... you're only really suppose to take 2-3, usually one soon as you wake up and one after your workout, and you can have 1 later in the day, but 6, wtf?? Also what's wrong with having your diet have all the protein and also take shakes, my brother and some of my friends eat 3000ish calories a day, 1000 of it being protein shakes (2 a day) and rest being a lot of chicken, etc etc they go to the gym 5-6 times a week though and i'm almost at that stage to start bulking in the next few weeks after I hit my goal weight, already gained a lot of muscle when losing weight though.
    That sounds more like weightgainer shakes (which is just protein powder with sugar)? My shakes only contain 250 calories and thats with 30g of protein powder and 400ml skim milk.

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    This is a question that can not be answered without knowing a LOT more about your lifestyle. If you do not get enough protein in your regular diet, they could be helpful. If you get enough protein in your regular diet you could just as well be eating spoonfuls of sugar. Your body will just use it for energy anyway. Another option is to add a couple of boiled eggs with a meal (or several if you need a lot of protein), it will do exactly the same thing. Adding a lot of protein that you do not use will not build muscles, it will make you fat.

    Many powders also contain a myriad of other elements that mostly fall in the hocus pocus section. The bulk of it is most often milk protein so not exactly harmful. Some have soy, also not harmful (and no, you do not grow moobs from soy protein, picture China if you did..... ).

    Since you are very young there is something you need to know if you are planning on dating or already are. Unless you are in a very solid relationship or very happily single, stay away from protein shakes!!! No one but a very committed partner will put up with the amount of stink you will produce. Not only do they make you fart a lot but your farts smell...bad, really, REALLY bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWilson View Post
    If you want a shrinked penis: Yes
    Otherwise: No
    Oh, right - because protein causes your penis to shrink. /facepalm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihuitl View Post
    a balanced diet that you tailor to your needs should not have gaps that need plugging.
    a diet with gaps plugged is a balanced diet. There's nothing wrong with designing a balanced diet around protein powder. I don't know why you're so hell-bent on thinking there is. If a person feels his ideal of a balanced diet includes protein powder, whether because of its convenience or whatever, then that's no problem at all.

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    I'm amazed how many people seem to think that macronutrients are magically better if they're in the form of chicken than if they're blended with a some ice and a banana. The only pragmatic differences are satiety (a concern if you're eating too much) and bioavailability (shakes are preferred if you actually worked out fairly hard). Aside from that, there's really no reason to jump on the OMG NO JUST EAT RIGHT bandwagon.

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    Yea, if you feel like your diet won't give you enough protein powder would be a good addition! It is definitely helpful, especially if you're in the gym often!

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    a diet with gaps plugged is a balanced diet. There's nothing wrong with designing a balanced diet around protein powder. I don't know why you're so hell-bent on thinking there is. If a person feels his ideal of a balanced diet includes protein powder, whether because of its convenience or whatever, then that's no problem at all.
    I'm not hell bent on anything. dont overreact and get all hyperbolic please, lets try to be reasonable....

    Unless you are really trying to bulk up in an unnatural way, in which case you really should not be asking on MMO champ for advice but seek more specialist sites, you should be able to get enough protein from a balanced diet tailored to your needs. Without supplements. Supplements can lead to feeling hungry, and may indicate a diet overloaded with stuff that you should be avoiding and is not giving you the stuff you need. Thats not always the case, and I have nothing against protein powder (I have taken it myself from time to time when necessary) if you really cant get enough in your diet, but I will always default to getting as much from my diet as its possible for me to do so.

    Sure take sups if you want to, they wont do you any harm, never said they will, but unless you are going really bulky, you can usually get enough protein in a diet with out too much issues.

    As he's said he's a "rookie" and given what he says about his age and situation, I'd doubt he needs to really concentrate on getting loads of protein. if he really cant control his diet, then sure sups may help, but its probably better in the long run to get control of his diet as there are loads more benefits to that than just slamming as much protein sups into your system as you can.
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    I know a lot of people who already get a lot of protein from their diet but have 2 shakes a day, 1 when they wake up and 1 after the gym, so what's wrong with that even if you're getting a lot from your diet already, they eat shit loads of chicken, tuna, steak, eggs etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosky View Post
    6+ a day... that's way too overboard wtf... you're only really suppose to take 2-3, usually one soon as you wake up and one after your workout, and you can have 1 later in the day, but 6, wtf?? Also what's wrong with having your diet have all the protein and also take shakes, my brother and some of my friends eat 3000ish calories a day, 1000 of it being protein shakes (2 a day) and rest being a lot of chicken, etc etc they go to the gym 5-6 times a week though and i'm almost at that stage to start bulking in the next few weeks after I hit my goal weight, already gained a lot of muscle when losing weight though.
    What I was getting at was I was wrong when I first started, until I done some actual research I'm all for protein through diet over shakes but supplement as needed, currently I'm on 2-3 depending on consumption during the day and whether a training day (I train 4 times a week).

    The best advice to give OP is simply as I said in my first post within this thread, track everything and see if needed to supplement and to track how many calories they are taking in.
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    If you're working out at least 3-4 times a day I recommend protein. When I started working out (around your age) I used to work out without protein for 6 months and I got some results. A friend of mine who competed at amateur olympic weight lifting levels, recommended me Iso-Sensation and I find the biggest difference maker was the recovery time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roosky View Post
    I know a lot of people who already get a lot of protein from their diet but have 2 shakes a day, 1 when they wake up and 1 after the gym, so what's wrong with that even if you're getting a lot from your diet already, they eat shit loads of chicken, tuna, steak, eggs etc etc
    Protein acts a dehydrating agent, and can, through prolongs over consumption, contribute to things like kidney stones. So ideally you work out how much protein you need (at most 0.9g/lb) and take that as no more than 30% of your calorie intake per day.
    Additionally, if you need say 90g of protein, but take 150g(or lots more according to what some people have posted), the extra 60g or whatever, does you no good at all, its just calories that you dont need you are taking as a supplement.

    A bit extra protein is not going to cause issues, a lot extra over a long period of time could result in side effects. Its not a massive risk, but why take it just because some people wrongly think you need to pop 5shakes a day to grow muscle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihuitl View Post
    Protein acts a dehydrating agent, and can, through prolongs over consumption, contribute to things like kidney stones. So ideally you work out how much protein you need (at most 0.9g/lb) and take that as no more than 30% of your calorie intake per day.
    Additionally, if you need say 90g of protein, but take 150g(or lots more according to what some people have posted), the extra 60g or whatever, does you no good at all, its just calories that you dont need you are taking as a supplement.

    A bit extra protein is not going to cause issues, a lot extra over a long period of time could result in side effects. Its not a massive risk, but why take it just because some people wrongly think you need to pop 5shakes a day to grow muscle?
    So much wrong in this post :/

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    So much wrong in this post :/
    Where exactly? I am sure of what I posted, But if you can demonstrate that I am wrong, and back it up, I'm never averse to standing corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihuitl View Post
    Where exactly? I am sure of what I posted, But if you can demonstrate that I am wrong, and back it up, I'm never averse to standing corrected.
    Well first, the dehydrating fact is not important if you are drinking enough so you shouldnt be dehydrated. Protein doesnt bind or use more water than carbs and its only under extreme periods of high protein usage(500g on 80kg man) and low water consumption(less than a litre a day) problems occur. When you take shakes you are mostly consuming the required amount of liquid anyways so that argument is invalid.

    Protein is a macro nutrient just as fat and carbs. The only difference is that Protein also works as muscle repair/build. As long as you lift the only macro nutrient you really need is Protein. Carbs and fat are only there to fill up the rest of your calories(I could say that fat are necessary for amino acids aswell). Protein will just like fat and carbs be used either as glycogen or stored as fat if there is no more muscle to repair. So Protein is never wasted, its used instead of carbs/fat if you have excess amount.

    As you say, you dont need to pop 5 shakes a day to grow muscle. But reaching your preferred Protein minimum can for some people be hard on a regular diet, especially in OP's case where he doesnt decide what to eat. Note that I am saying minimum since someone that lifts 2-3 times a week should probably hit a minimum of 2g pr kg of bodyweight. If you lift more than that 3g or even 4g could be recommended. The rest of your diet should consist of roughly 1g of fat per kg bodyweight and the last of your calories should be filled with carbs. If you then decide to eat more protein than needed you have to cut elsewhere. That is what a balanced diet is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deldavala View Post
    Protein is a macro nutrient just as fat and carbs. The only difference is that Protein also works as muscle repair/build. As long as you lift the only macro nutrient you really need is Protein. Carbs and fat are only there to fill up the rest of your calories(I could say that fat are necessary for amino acids aswell).
    That's a bit hasty, since for example your body needs fats to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. On some occasions you want (simple) carbs to spike your insulin levels, so they're not completely useless.

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    Well first, the dehydrating fact is not important if you are drinking enough so you shouldnt be dehydrated. Protein doesnt bind or use more water than carbs and its only under extreme periods of high protein usage(500g on 80kg man) and low water consumption(less than a litre a day) problems occur. When you take shakes you are mostly consuming the required amount of liquid anyways so that argument is invalid.

    Protein is a macro nutrient just as fat and carbs. The only difference is that Protein also works as muscle repair/build. As long as you lift the only macro nutrient you really need is Protein. Carbs and fat are only there to fill up the rest of your calories(I could say that fat are necessary for amino acids aswell). Protein will just like fat and carbs be used either as glycogen or stored as fat if there is no more muscle to repair. So Protein is never wasted, its used instead of carbs/fat if you have excess amount.

    As you say, you dont need to pop 5 shakes a day to grow muscle. But reaching your preferred Protein minimum can for some people be hard on a regular diet, especially in OP's case where he doesnt decide what to eat. Note that I am saying minimum since someone that lifts 2-3 times a week should probably hit a minimum of 2g pr kg of bodyweight. If you lift more than that 3g or even 4g could be recommended. The rest of your diet should consist of roughly 1g of fat per kg bodyweight and the last of your calories should be filled with carbs. If you then decide to eat more protein than needed you have to cut elsewhere. That is what a balanced diet is all about.
    look up ketogenic diet side effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihuitl View Post
    look up ketogenic diet side effects.
    Ketogenic diet is not the same as a balanced diet with fairly high protein. Ketogenic diet consists of less than 40(?) grams of carbs, average protein and high fats. A balanced diet can still have more than 100g of carbs and is usally lower on the fat.

    Also the reason for many of the problems on the ketogenic diet is the lack of carbs. This makes you shed water and with the water also comes vitamins, minerals and such. This will stabilize over time as long as you are actually getting proper amount of vitamins and minerals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starquake View Post
    That's a bit hasty, since for example your body needs fats to synthesize testosterone from cholesterol. On some occasions you want (simple) carbs to spike your insulin levels, so they're not completely useless.
    You can use both fat and protein to spike insulin, but not as fast though. As I said fat is somewhat necessary due to amino acids and the fact you need the testosterone, but you dont need much. 1-2 days a week with some fat fish like salmon is usually enough to the average man. Or take a supplement like fish oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deldavala View Post
    Carbs and fat are only there to fill up the rest of your calories
    You're going to have a bitch of a time synthesizing sufficient glycogen without carbs.

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