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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadlack View Post
    This is some of the worst I have yet to read on MMO. You're comparing the price of Apple products to a Sky Golem? The reason Apple can sell their products so expensive and keep a high demand is due to their trademark. Apple is a globally known (for good or worse) and regarded trademark that a lot of people associate with prestige and quality. Nobody but Apple can sell products under that trademark. EVERYONE can sell Sky Golems, hell I have 5 engineers ready to launch 5 of those bad boys when I have 30 mats. If everybody could sell products under the banner of Apple the price would plummet because everyone would compete with eachother.

    As a lot of others have predicted there will be a lot of competition to get the first and most expensive sales once 30 days have passed. When I got the idea of rolling 5 engineers for sweet profit, how many of the 1000s of other players didn't get the same idea. Make no mistake, there will be a lot of Sky Golems on the AH when it's possible and as we already know a lot of people really love to undercut with huge margins. There's no way this mount won't make engineers a hefty profit due to the time it takes to create one, but I think a lot of you are setting your hopes up too high.
    Where the hell did I directly compare Apple products to Sky Golems? And you are confusing trademarks with branding. I suggest before lambasting another's comment you do two things; one, actually read the comment and two, actually have a clue what you are talking about.
    That little part of the comment of mine which you are so quick to decry as "the worst " you have read says "The two major contributors to a final sale price, both in game and in real life, are scarcity and desirability" which pray tell conflicts with your own assessment of "prestige and quality"?
    Try harder next time before schooling someone. And read some more, you need the practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markos82 View Post
    It is relevant by all means. Its a CD, many professions have a CD, you can value your CD 1k gold and that is ok, and you can put a price on 6k gold and that is beyond any reason. I made 2mill with 7 inscribers, but you are also forgetting the thing that inscribers in MoP also have daily CD + making deck is much harder then making a golem since there was a chance to get a right card. yes, you could buy the cards you needed from Ah, but that is of no concern for a buyer of your deck. At the start of MoP to make one card it cost you 2k gold, and you needed 8 card, so one deck not counting CDs and time invested to mill mats, make inks was 16k or more and you also had to w8 30days for DMF to come.
    Ofc they are not, but you cant put the final cost to a product many times higher then initial investment and time. I leveled engineering in one day, less then 4 hours, and it cost me 13k or little less considering i was vendoring stuff i didnt need. It has a cost in mats, and you are calculating that into a final product, but you cant put a value of a CD to 10k.
    Of course you can. It's absolutely absurd equating mat cost+ time investment as the sole contributors to final sale value. How does one price rare world drops then? I just killed a mob which has no mat cost and next to zero time investment and by your reckoning should have next to zero value and yet some of these world drops go for thousands of gold.
    I'll say it again; I'm not saying that the Sky Golem will sell for 10x it's mat cost. I'm saying the mat cost and time investment will the lesser concerns over scarcity and prestige in their pricing.
    For instance; if there is only one engineer in a realm and a hundred gold capped players just chomping at the bit for this mount the final sale value of that mount will be grossly inflated versus a typical realm or one which has more engineers than the market for these mounts can sustain.
    I don't care how much the Sky Golem goes for. And if I was intending on selling one I'm not going to use the base Ghost Iron price in it's pricing; I'm going to use the market value of like products and if I'm the first in the AH with one then I'm going to make an estimation based on what I think it's desirability value is and not mat cost + time investment. It's not a gem I'm cutting; no matter how many engineers there are in a given realm you can't treat these mounts as a high volume item.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by madrox View Post
    Of course you can. It's absolutely absurd equating mat cost+ time investment as the sole contributors to final sale value. How does one price rare world drops then? I just killed a mob which has no mat cost and next to zero time investment and by your reckoning should have next to zero value and yet some of these world drops go for thousands of gold.
    I'll say it again; I'm not saying that the Sky Golem will sell for 10x it's mat cost. I'm saying the mat cost and time investment will the lesser concerns over scarcity and prestige in their pricing.
    For instance; if there is only one engineer in a realm and a hundred gold capped players just chomping at the bit for this mount the final sale value of that mount will be grossly inflated versus a typical realm or one which has more engineers than the market for these mounts can sustain.
    I don't care how much the Sky Golem goes for. And if I was intending on selling one I'm not going to use the base Ghost Iron price in it's pricing; I'm going to use the market value of like products and if I'm the first in the AH with one then I'm going to make an estimation based on what I think it's desirability value is and not mat cost + time investment. It's not a gem I'm cutting; no matter how many engineers there are in a given realm you can't treat these mounts as a high volume item.
    You are confusing between thing called chance. When you have your recipe you can put out endless amount of Golems, well in this case 12 each year. I killed Kael'thas Sunstrider many times in order to obtain my mount, and then i decided to pay one person 250k for boost, and AFTER i get the mount. He boosted me on his 6 alts for 2 months until it finally dropped and i was happy enough to give him 250k. Since that was the price i thought it is Ok for me to spend.
    Scarcity isnt the case in regarding the mount, as I said, many leveled engineers in order to get recipe and make mount, many will keep it but most will sell hoping for a quick gold, well take quick as reserve. Prestige has nothing to do with a mount that isnt RARE. Mount wont be rare, like a Invincible, or black scarab that in 8 years i only seen 3 times!!!! Sky golem would be like alchemist mount thats even harder to obtain, well recpe is.
    But what if you have 300 players with mount ready for sale and same 100 players that are interested in it? And that is going to be more likely scenario considering many are leveling more then one, and from today i know 10 people what are going to have it in that 30 days time period and are willing to sell it. Former guild member will have 2, one he will use and one his GF. i leveled engineer for the only reason to make my own mount, and that will cost me 13K ( for leveling ) and lets say 30k for mats. next I will have one ready for sale, and considering i am not greedy I will put a small price on it, to cover gold invested + to make something, like 15-20%.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Avada Kedavra View Post
    God i hate when people use this damn excuse. It has nothing to do with the "how much the mats cost".

    You obviously do not have an engineer. Here are some things you should know:

    1) It is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) profession to level.
    2) There are not very many money making items for engineers. (mounts do not sell all that great due to the high cost to make them)
    3) It will take 30 days to make, using a daily CD.

    So either level engineering - or pay what we (as engineers who took the time to level it and learn the necessary recipes) want to sell it for - an no less.

    If you dont want to pay our price, then level it yourself, or gtfo cause you are dead wrong if you think anyone will sell it for the 16k you think it should go for.
    People with gold don't care how "hard" it is to level engineering since they would have the budget to buy it to max in 1 day. While 20k is obviously to low, I'd go with 80-100k max once the time comes.

  4. #84
    If I can't get over 100k I won't even bother selling it considering it takes 30 days just to make all the stabilized lightning source.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by volkanik View Post
    If I can't get over 100k I won't even bother selling it considering it takes 30 days just to make all the stabilized lightning source.
    I was thinking for my first one that would be reasonable(granted it will depend on the server stability of it). However I think the first month or so will sell for more. Second month however I think there will be a substantial drop in price. Im going to guess 100-300k for the first set. Then server dependent you will see it go to 40-70k. This is why I wish my alchemist was with me on my current server though. So I wouldnt have to buy living steel. However I may just level alchemy with my engineering toon(instead of herbal now, which gets its use to send herbs to my main for scribe chants). Need to price out how much it will cost. Will probably do it after I sell my first golem.

    With all that said, I think any price above 75k for your first one is more than fine to sell it. However it's just we don't know how much its going to sell for yet.

  6. #86
    Anyone who thinks they are gonna make piles of gold from this is are either playing on a very low pop realm with hardly any engineers or are just delusional about the prices they are gonna go for once the first 200 engineers put them on the ah. i wouldnt be surprised if they went for around mats cost on my server

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    Quote Originally Posted by vamonos View Post
    Anyone who thinks they are gonna make piles of gold from this is are either playing on a very low pop realm with hardly any engineers or are just delusional about the prices they are gonna go for once the first 200 engineers put them on the ah. i wouldnt be surprised if they went for around mats cost on my server
    Wow what a shit server lol, why would anyone sell this just for mat cost? There's a 30 day engineering bop mat which is what will jack up the price.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepes View Post
    Wow what a shit server lol, why would anyone sell this just for mat cost? There's a 30 day engineering bop mat which is what will jack up the price.
    what do u mean why would anyone sell this for the mats cost? u do realize u can farm all the mats=all profit, especially if u have an alchemist too even better if its transmute master. oh 30 days of clicking create from engineering prof tab once a day thats gonna jack up the price... like on those 502 weapons? they went for around mats cost too
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  9. #89
    I'll probably put mine up for 250k or something absurd for a week or two and if it doesn't sell, or I see the AH flood with cheaper ones I'll just use it.
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  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Metonae View Post
    Average price of materials on Kazzak-EU was 16K last week (didn't check this week). Guessing it won't be far off on other realms, so a reasonable price would be 30-40K.
    50 to 100K is way too much.
    Really for an item that can only be made every 30 days IF the engineering is on point and dosen't miss a day and there's no "catch up" mechanic to get it faster ? I think you're vastly underestimating the value of time. Also I don't know what living steel is going for on your server but here it's 500-600g so that's 15-18k for that + 300 ghost iron bars ( 15 stacks @ ~ 160g a stack) = 2400 so that's 17.4-20.4k in mats. It'll be easily in the 100k mark first week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vamonos View Post
    what do u mean why would anyone sell this for the mats cost? u do realize u can farm all the mats=all profit, especially if u have an alchemist too even better if its transmute master. oh 30 days of clicking create from engineering prof tab once a day thats gonna jack up the price... like on those 502 weapons? they went for around mats cost too
    They went no wear near mats cost.... They where still more then mats cost a week before 5.4. I haven't checked since.

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    Can't remember the realm, but one was hosted in Europe for 888k and undermine journal shows
    One in US for 444,444g
    Can't wait to see what they actually go for

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by re1gn1te View Post
    Really for an item that can only be made every 30 days IF the engineering is on point and dosen't miss a day and there's no "catch up" mechanic to get it faster ? I think you're vastly underestimating the value of time. Also I don't know what living steel is going for on your server but here it's 500-600g so that's 15-18k for that + 300 ghost iron bars ( 15 stacks @ ~ 160g a stack) = 2400 so that's 17.4-20.4k in mats. It'll be easily in the 100k mark first week.
    He didnt worked for the mount 30 days, he worked 1min each day or less for that during those 30days. If you miss a day its your problem, and that cant effect the price. It would be like Blizz saying, Hell our main developer had some family emergency so new expansion will cost 100$ instead of 50$. What are you trying to calculate? Inscribers could also make decks every DMF but had to invest more time and luck into it, but you didnt see the price go 7x initial investment even that those trinkets were more then a cosmetic thing. As I said you can put any price on AH, but that doesnt mean someone will buy it for that price. So asking 80.000gold for 30min work is just beyond any reason.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by healzforu View Post
    i just feel 250k for eng mount vs 300k spectral mount, you can see the clear winner here.
    Yeah, the winner is clear.

    Those spectral mounts are ugly as shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nnelson54 View Post
    Yeah, the winner is clear.

    Those spectral mounts are ugly as shit.
    Beauties in the eye of the beholder I like the Sky Golem, but it's just one mount to add to my number, I LOVE my spectral Tiger

  15. #95
    First week this mount is up, I think the prices can vary on servers. But for 30 days, it will probably be triple the mats spent easily. As each day passes and the people desperate to show one off obtains one, it will undercut itself to probably double the mats spent and sustain until the end of the tier. Somewhat like the jc mount, how they are pretty much dirt cheap atm to get.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by markos82 View Post
    He didnt worked for the mount 30 days, he worked 1min each day or less for that during those 30days. If you miss a day its your problem, and that cant effect the price. It would be like Blizz saying, Hell our main developer had some family emergency so new expansion will cost 100$ instead of 50$. What are you trying to calculate? Inscribers could also make decks every DMF but had to invest more time and luck into it, but you didnt see the price go 7x initial investment even that those trinkets were more then a cosmetic thing. As I said you can put any price on AH, but that doesnt mean someone will buy it for that price. So asking 80.000gold for 30min work is just beyond any reason.
    I don't understand people like you, so you all just want an mount to be cheap? So what would be your offer?30k gold? We wait those 30 days not you and if i can't sell it for 250k gold as some guy said i rather keep for my self than to give it away for nothing. I just hate people of your kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by healzforu View Post
    i just feel 250k for eng mount vs 300k spectral mount, you can see the clear winner here.
    If I'd see a Spectral Tiger and a Sky Golem that close price-wise on the AH, I wouldn't even have to think twice.
    Unfortunately, on my server, there wasn't a single Spectral Tiger for sale EVER.

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    i really doubt there will be a flood of golems on the first days.

    for every engineer who crafts one, perhaps even several, perhaps EVEN respeccs professions to do so there are LEGIONS of players who don't care and don't know about it. players who will not know it even exists till they see it in a bg. people who don't read patchnotes ...

    i really REALLY doubt there will be more than around ten in the ah the first week per day.

    you have to reduce the available number further for those who are sold outside the ah, who reserved one already and most importantly who will make the first one for themselves. i struggle between keeping and selling my first. and i think i am not alone. among those engineers who HAVE a golem the first week i am sure are many who will keep it.

    another point why mounts are more expensive than armors and weapons is that they are vanity items. i would never pay even 1k gold for the best craftable armor piece even if it would take two months to make. one patch later and it is close to obsolete. why should i invest money when i can wait for a drop with the same ilvl? while there are enough to invest heavily in their gear i would say they are in the minority. people in lfr are so cheap they dont even enchant and socket their gear until it is bis for that patch (some not even then). those kinds don't pay 20k for gloves. and especially not gloves that last some months till the next patch ...

    mounts on the other hand could be totally overpriced compared to the investment and still find someone to buy them. because they last longer in their value. and prestige. while most in here seem to fear that the market will be flooded with golems so that every one has one at the end of the year i would say it will be the opposite.

    while i personally would never buy a mount for 100k (because i made less than 200k since RELEASE of constant play and clearly don't have that amount), i don't see why they should not sell even months after the initial wave.


    in short: the mount will stay rare and pricey for a rather long time imo. the number of people who will craft it will be much lower than many here seem to think. the only exception could be the highest populated servers, as they attract more good players. the rest of the engineers will most likely feed of the casual "i just saw it and i need it!" player who probably will pay something extra for the instant gratification without pricing research.

  19. #99
    When I've made mine, if they're going on my servers AH for over 100k, I'll list it, use the profit to buy 30 living steels (or the ore/bars, which ever is cheaper) and wait a month till I get my own.

    The living steel is the only annoyance for the mats, getting enough ore for the energy sources isnt too bad, but you need 6 times the amount per living steel, unless you can be bothered to use the farm and plant the ore seeds, use SoHs to get trillium ore, or buy them off the AH. And without being sure how much I can get for it, I'll take the farming method (which doesnt take that long, but still meands logging in most days to plant/harvest).
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  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    On that note - do you also believe the 553 gear (like the plate legs) will also be extremely high priced - due to only being able to make 1 pair every 28 days? Obviously with out using Spirits of war.
    yes, people on my server are already taking pre-orders at 75k for pants and 60k for belts and lesser items. just like the new epic bags being over 5k... and they only take 5 days to make

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