Can we all please chill out just a little and discuss the topic without getting worked up and snippy with each other?
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Whait what if i want to have a cloak for my offspec? I can only have legendary cloak for 1 spec
I understand new people, slow people (slow to do quest, not slow...) and just unlucky people don't have cloak, but they should have made it trash drop only or vendor. Hate as a Healing Priest that there are two bosses I wont bother to coin until I desperately need their items in fear of coining a beyond useless cloak. Hell, trash drop BoE, make some money off altoholics, etc.
It was bad enough in ToT not being able to coin some bosses in fear of cloak, now we have the same issue... Can't wait til we kill H Immerseus and get 3 cloaks for all our dps coins.
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I totally understand why people complain, on our first Immersius kill in 25man we got 3x the same caster dps cloak and ALL of our caster have the legendary cloak lol XD . In 2-3 month , alot more people will have their legendary cloak and then its gonna be a real issue, 75% of immersius loot table will be useless and the trash drop will most likely be useless as well. But hey atleast war spirit are useful =)
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I just got back to the game after a break, i have no legendary cloak. SO the ones that drop will be great for me. Question answered.
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also. alts. i have 1 cloak. my only other 90 even remotely close to the cloak is on the runestones. my mage is on the sigils and my warrior hasnt even started.
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It looks to me as though reading comprehension isn't many people's forte. Most people who are against the cloaks dropping suggest alternative ways of aquiring a cloak, be it dropping only in normal or from a VP vendor. Even suggesting that it is upgradable with a token. I don't see how people without the legendary cloak can considder this a bad thing. It's a win-win if you ask me. People without the legendary cloak can easily get another cloak, be it from trash, normal or a vendor, and raiders don't get stiffed on their coin rolls, because nothing is more infuriating than getting a cloak when you're rolling on immerseus for trinket
Cloaks dropping only from trash or for raids with people without legendary cloaks is okay. But our raid has an awful bad luck when it comes to loot. Besides the obvious int leather (no caster drood/monk) we had a whopping 4 cloaks out of 10 bosses so far last ID. plus an additional one from trash. And yes, it felt pretty unfair while being in progress where every little itemlevel upgrade counts. We almost DE'd half of our boss loot in our second ID
I was ok with cloak dropping but... this week half of our loot from the early bosses went to disenchanting...I love 10 man...
I don't have the cloak yet because I dinged just a couple of months ago and at least I like my 553 cloak placeholder.
I can see the sense in keeping cloaks on normal loot tables (somewhat). However, as someone else said earlier in this thread, cloaks have no business being on heroic loot tables. It's crippling in a 10-man to waste half of your loot from a boss.
Following up on the 'I've taken time out of the game and need a cloak' rebuttal that's been posted a few times here:
I recognise that not everyone will have the cloak, for any number of reasons. People in this thread speak from their perspective, while dismissing anyone else's because 'it's too small a population' or some variation.
The cloaks from trash drop in such a quantity that it's obvious they are there to be used as items for those who do not have the cloak. A single clear of SoO would drop from like 3-5 cloaks depending on your luck. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who'd argue against the idea of them being the catchup.
With that in mind, how many heroic raiders would be in your position and be needing a cloak, but would not be able to manage with one of these trash drops?
Keep in mind that at the cost of this convenience to this subset, the vast majority of raiders from this demographic need to see bosses they worked hard to kill drop unusable items.
That's the core of the issue.
Also as one final aside, this is magnitudes worse than DS because things like multiple daggers and such still drop, only now there's the additional grief of additional items no one wants.
It's worth mentioning again, I don't think there should be no cloak catch up, that would be utterly ignorant. But catchup method's shouldn't be to the determent of the majority of the playerbase. Hence why trash drops were the ideal method, and rendering the boss cloaks unnecessary.
Edit: I also realise I've used the word 'lazy' in my original as a short hand for a reason for not having. Meant no offense and was just paraphrasing for the purposes of brevity.
And I agree, having cloaks (badly statted cloaks, at that!) in the loot table sucks. Especially on the first boss! I've had TWO cloaks from Immersius, both instantly sharded. No trinket. That's frustrating.
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And as others said, having alternatives to boss loot would be just fine.
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"Rogues get free awesome weapons via a little extra hard work? Awesome! ...hang on, why do bosses keep dropping so many daggers no-one wants?"