Not going to bother even trying to pug flex for a month or so, just can't be bothered with the ilvl heroes. But, in time, just like ICC, there will pugs every 5 minutes. Once I'm LFR/Timeless Isle (535) geared and 2/2 upgraded, then I'll worry about flex, and I'll likely change my offspec back to healing since DPS isn't exactly "in demand".
Our guild (massive, multi-raidgroups guild) runs a flex raid every Sunday and we'll gladly take 510+ ppl from the guild since we have 540+ players that will end up making the run easy anyways. However, in a pug, you can't account for having multiple super geared people.
Put it this way. The 540 geared leader can either find other 540s to quickly finish Flex with no need to wipe or explain things to people. He could also run with 520's and potentially have more troubles with the run.
I have no problem with a leader asking for (his ilvl-5). It's just him not wanting to end up carrying the group.
Yes, I know sometimes a 520 player will outperform a 540 player. However, on average, a 540 player WILL outperform a 520 player. That is undeniable.
I have done Flex raids that asked for ilvl 510 with a Restoration Shaman (508 ilvl back then) and a Blood Death Knight (515 ilvl back then). When looking for more people for my flex raid, I'd rather say "Link best proving grounds achievement and knowledge of bosses."
I. Like. To. Kill. Things.
WoW logic : '' you need higher ilvl to do the place that drops lower ilvl than you have ''
yesterday I saw 530+ needed for a hc scenario and 535+ needed for ToT normal, sadly it's the mentality nowadays so you can either :
-Rage about it
-Suck it up
-Do the same thing one day and upset other people
I would recommend the 3th option, person once told me '' if u cant beat trolls u join them '' and while this ain't perse trolling it's still solid advice.
Don't try and fix the problem if your the only one wanting it fixed and just join the swagkids and their retarded requirements for overgearing content.
Raiding in a PuG with strangers = Clearing the content as fast as possible, to gear up alts/find missing pieces for mains.
just saying I did hc scenarios before my toon reached a 495 cap with 2 friends that were 490 and we never whiped once, so 530+ is b*llshit.
Same with ToT normal needing 535+, anyone with half a brain and past raid experience can do that in ToT LFR gear with ease.
I basically made a post saying asking more ilvl than what drops is bs, you turned my post into '' lol scrubs you can go with a group with no ilvl requirement whatsoever ''
if you disagree and you are one of those '' overgear it or no inv '' people that's fine, but don't twist my post into something it wasn't.
520 is definitely doable.
As i said, you can always make your own group. (and no requiments was just the other extreme)
Most people just want to get their stuff done ASAP, if you can ask 540+ for a heroic scenario, why wouldnt you? It's insanely fast!
And while all your points may be true, there is no way in knowing if the person you are inviting actualy has a working brain.
yesterday we did part 1 and 2 of SoO Flex,
6 guild members + 4 pugs, we said minimum requirement 520 (which shouldnt be too hard with valor upgrades)
and we were fine in Flex, at best 1 wipe on a boss before we downed it too get used too a fight (some pugs never had done it yet, and a few of us were playing a different role then our mains). all in all fun quick experience, for which you dnt need those absurb ilvl requirements.
I'm 545 ilvl without having 548 helm, neck, shoulders, bracers, legs, rings and weapon. so if I want to be competent in my roster I must clean flex every week.
Also making your own group with 510 is impossible , no one will stay and accuse you of wanted to get boosted yourself, unless you find a bunch of friends.
Maybe if you put your sh*t on Openraid, but not in trade chat.
Anyway we clearly got different views on things so im gonna leave it at this before it goes offtopic
522 crafts are almost free to make.
ToT lfr, ToT normal/hc
SoO lfr, new world boss, ordos if you have cloak on one char.
Nothing special about this, just need some rng and I guess many have done this.
Anyway, my bank alt has atleast 1 set of each Timeless Armor type, (2+ for most) so any future alts I level can get close to a 496 set right from the get go. However, that's a far cry from 520. To get higher I'd either need to be very lucky in LFR, get carried, or hit the AH and spend a small fortune.
Given SoO LFR is 528, only one wing is open an you can't farm onus rollls, the best you could (potentially) farm is ToT @ 502.
It's easy to gear up alts there days, but lets not exaggerate.
Last edited by Dakara; 2013-09-23 at 09:35 AM.