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    slight marks and sv buff? whaaaat?

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    Chimera Shot's damage has been increased by 50%.
    Survival
    Explosive Shot's damage has been increased by 10%.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcE5wjCrQ1c

    is this real life? I dont know how to feel about buffs since we dont usualy get them. im...im...im.....
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    Wow, 50%? Chimera Shot was the only hunter signature ability that was not buffed in 5.4's PTR, but 50% is huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguintamer View Post
    Wow, 50%? Chimera Shot was the only hunter signature ability that was not buffed in 5.4's PTR, but 50% is huge.
    dare i say....it might be inline with the other buffs that the other specs got?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartazjb0y View Post
    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrun View Post
    Hunter Buffs...
    Link a source maybe? Sounds like bullshit otherwise.

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    Chaos! Madness! Like a hug for your brain!¯\(°_o)/¯
    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartazjb0y View Post
    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntadin View Post
    Link a source maybe? Sounds like bullshit otherwise.
    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-september-23/

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    I don't see the Chimera Shot buff staying, that looks incredibly unbalanced for PvP purposes. PvP aside if my math is correct, Survival is simming higher single target than Beast Mastery in full tier 16 BiS gear.
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    Wow, so hits EU on wed then, nice. Wonder if this brings MM up to competitive single target dps...

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    Nice, hopefully this does good things for MM.

    Also while I think it's about time demo warlocks get toned down, it's actually slightly worrisome for progression to me :P

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    WARNING: Napkin Math. Let me know if I'm wrong about anything major.

    Pre-buff Simc DPS (full T16 Heroic)

    MM - 389k
    SV - 409k
    BM - 418k

    As ES is 23.8% of the sim's DPS, a 10% ES gain would be a 2.38% total increase in damage, which is 0.0238*409 = +9.7k, putting SV pretty much exactly even with BM.

    As CS is 6.8% of the sim's DPS, a 50% CS gain alone would be a 3.4% total increase in damage, which is 0.034 *389 = +13.2k, putting MM at about 402k or so.

    HOWEVER, this doesn't not explain the full impact of the buff, because a CS buff ALSO buffs the amount of damage done by Piercing Shots, which is caused by CS damage. Let's try to make an estimate of what that amount is. PS damage is equal to 30% of damage done by AiS, SS, and CS. Therefore (and correct me if I'm wrong), we would expect to see an increase that is equal to 30% of the CS buff, so .3*3.4 ~= 1.1% ~= 4k DPS. This would put MM at 406k.

    Therefore, after the buffs, we would be left with:
    BM - 418k
    SV - 418k
    MM - 406k

    Of course, this all comes with the normal caveats of "How accurate are the sims, exactly?" and questions of whether this would change priorities (e.g. AiS being cast over CS in CA, things like that).
    Last edited by HonneurVilified; 2013-09-24 at 02:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovan View Post
    I don't see the Chimera Shot buff staying, that looks incredibly unbalanced for PvP purposes. PvP aside if my math is correct, Survival is simming higher single target than Beast Mastery in full tier 16 BiS gear.
    it just might. chim shot hits like a limp dick in pvp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartazjb0y View Post
    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
    14/14h and finally done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrun View Post
    it just might. chim shot hits like a limp dick in pvp
    That's an... interesting way to put it.

    Don't forget that along with that Chimera Shot in the same global you will also fire off an Aimed Shot or Power Shot (or both if you follow up an instant Aimed Shot after the Power Shot one second later), wild quiver procs, auto-shots, serpent sting, piercing shots and your pet will be mauling your target. That's a lot of damage to react to within 1 second.
    Last edited by Bovan; 2013-09-24 at 02:08 AM.
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    Closing the gap between specs is always a nice thing.

    I don't anticipate much change to the current hierarchy though. BM still has better on-demand burst, burst aoe and good sync with CDs. i.e. if you use it right it should still do more damage than SV.

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    god lets hope so... I want a change and I want to play my favorite spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gulder View Post
    Closing the gap between specs is always a nice thing.

    I don't anticipate much change to the current hierarchy though. BM still has better on-demand burst, burst aoe and good sync with CDs. i.e. if you use it right it should still do more damage than SV.
    But say your weapon heavy atm. Ie 552 with your Siege Normal bow. Would that put MM ahead for the moment do to higher weapon damage value for MM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GalcianBTH View Post
    But say your weapon heavy atm. Ie 552 with your Siege Normal bow. Would that put MM ahead for the moment do to higher weapon damage value for MM?
    Maybe. You'd have to sim it to find out honestly. Hopefully Zeherah will update FD with the changes soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gulder View Post
    Maybe. You'd have to sim it to find out honestly. Hopefully Zeherah will update FD with the changes soon.
    Interesting.

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    Is this in now? Or tomorrow after reset?

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    I don't really play MM much as my 'fun' offspec, but the really big chimera shot buff is always welcome, hopefully it'll bring MM much closer to BM and SV in DPS difference.

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