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The other guy could be a pro-player who knew more about the game than OP, but was testing something or doing something else meanwhile. Perhaps he was sick and unable to play well or he had changed or lost gear; there are many options that it didn't seem the OP took into account.
In any case, that people join a LFR goup does not mean they share interests further than playing WoW and joining a LFR group. If a group is doing a random dungeon (what are those called? Too long since I've played...) and 3 people decides they want a warlock to tank, does that mean that the 4th and 5th should say "hey, I can see your warlock is taking all the damage, do you want tips to stop him from doing so?" even if the 4th or 5th player doesn't want the warlock to tank? If the 4th or 5th player then decides to try to tank, should the first 3 players then say "hey, I can see you're trying to tank, do you want any tips on how to play dps?" That people join a LFR or a DFG (?) does not mean they share any interest as how to play in it. If another player does not share an interest, you should imo generally not give him advice on how to attain an accomplishment which he does not want.
It's not a guild with stated interests, it's a public group. Not a car pool with friends, but a bus. There is not anymore link between the players immediately except that they happen to be in the same LFR and to be playing WoW. There's no set of interests that come with LFR imo.
Last edited by Tenver; 2013-09-26 at 05:04 PM.
I have just explained the situation to you yet again and you once again refuse to accept anything that deviates from what you believe to be true
When on a team, you should pull your weight. Many of your examples would be fine examples. I would accept "I'm trying out something new in LFR man" Perfectly fine. I don't expect everyone to be be competing for top DPS in LFR.
By trying to help the other warlock, the OP was trying to further the team/groups goal of killing boss as quickly as possible to collect loot and gold. If you are in there to get carried or afk, you are wasting other peoples time.
Nobody wants to be on a bus with someone that asks to stop the bus as every stop, and then changes their minds. Thats rude, and its wasting other peoples time.
If someone make dps mainly from his autoattacks and pet attacks IDK about his feelings. There are many people too lazy to press few buttons, they just want epics, and this is why I don't want to make LFR now (and Flex have better items too), but I kinda need do it on my alt because of legendary quest line (still 3 titan runes). LFR really suck because of people attitude, and there should be way to easier kick people who just afk whole instance (maybe they should have decent uptime or something like that to get loot).
If you want others to accept your belief form your own group with like minded individuals.
If you really want to help a bad player make a note of their name and realm and help them on a private, individual level outside of the raid.
feelings lead to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads...usually to higher dps
but feelings like sadness and other stuff like that can stfu
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It's more like a business relation based on a contract of means - I scratch your back if you scratch mine, but if I don't want to scratch your back, you should not expect me to. There's no common goal, but only a tit-for-tat system. In a family or with friends there is a common goal, but at a workplace or in a public arrangement there is not.
It's probably a very weak contract even at that, but they are only connected together by means without any will. It might even be how work manages to get done. The ineffective is parted with - not picked up and improved. In a family or with friends it is tolerated, because they share a common goal; they want to get better together, not alone, but only together. Their interest in the welfare of the other as well as themselves takes precedence over any interest in an individual alone and they become a unit, a team, and they want for the unit, the team, to get better. Thus, the survival of the team become more important than the survival of any member alone and the team tries to keep its members and furnish them with resources and general success.
In this setting that the OP describes (or generally in LFR) there is not any general will between the players binding them together - merely the contract between individuals without common will based on a functional relationship. I scratch your back if you scratch mine, and if you don't scratch my back, then I won't scratch yours and there would be no contract. They aren't connected in body or by will. Only by means which each individual tries to take advantage of best as he can (that can be positive - you can tank, I can heal).
Last edited by Tenver; 2013-09-26 at 06:03 PM.
Communication is key you are right. I'm not arguing against tact, for the record! I just think we all need to quit being so sensitive! Help and advice used to be given all the time! What has changed?
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They owe you respect and courtesy, and not doing so is trolling and deserves a boot (which they often get)The people in LFR owe you or me nothing and the sooner you accept that the better for everyone.
All of this is fine. Trying your best does not necessarily make you bad. Being a disrespectful jerk and not trying makes you bad.[/QUOTE]When I join a LFR group I accept that the only standard others have to meet is the item level requirement set by Blizzard and that some of the players I encounter will have a level of ability and motivation that differs from mine. I know that this means that some of those players will not be able to perform at the same level as the rest of the group I, also, know that people rarely react well to negative reinforcement and if I point this out to the group it will be a humiliating experience for the bad player and will do nothing to teach them the error of their ways.
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What really happens is I scratch a back, and I'm welcomed with shit being thrown in my face. Some people want to get carried, which is asking for their backs scratched, but when its time to scratch mine, they are suddenly not interested. Thats welching on a deal.
As Pann often points out to me, you are at the will of group. No one likes their time wasted. Don't be surprised if you get the boot for wasting time and leeching.