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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    I hung out with some friends the other day and one has a wife and 8 year old stepson who are recent immigrants from Chile. The child overheard us talking as one of us mentioned how he hated his job and wanted a new one. The child chimed in and said "why dont you just go on Obamacare?" We laughed and asked him "whats Obamacare?" To which he responded "its when you don't like working and the government pays for you."

    "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." -Yoda
    the similarities between an 8 year old and a right winger are sobering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptwonline View Post
    Yup. Seeing all the problems in the US (guns, abortions, health care, budgets, politics in general) I feel like I won the Geography Lottery by being born in Canada.
    Yep, sometimes I really wonder if the USA deserves the status 'first world country'. But then on the other side I really like america for the time/money they spend on science and technology, Ah well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duallegend View Post
    Yep, sometimes I really wonder if the USA deserves the status 'first world country'. But then on the other side I really like america for the time/money they spend on science and technology, Ah well..
    Depends on what state you're in TBH.
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    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
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    I wouldn't expect someone who thinks science provides proof to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duallegend View Post
    Yep, sometimes I really wonder if the USA deserves the status 'first world country'. But then on the other side I really like america for the time/money they spend on science and technology, Ah well..
    Hey, don't get me wrong: the US is a GREAT country and has a lot of really fantastic people. As usual it's a few bad apples who seem to spoil it for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Depends on what state you're in TBH.
    There is a reason I refer to the red states as the third world part of the US.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Riddler View Post
    Good. But a freeze isn't enough. Except for the military, all Federal workers need to have massive pay cuts, as well as extensive layoffs and huge reductions in the total departments. Pay freeze? Pht - and it isn't even a FREEZE really because their salaries are still increasing, and they are still getting big bonuses and other payments that result in their salaries actually going up.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...y-freeze-isnt/
    http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-overs...nment-2012.pdf
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-salary-rises/
    http://finance.townhall.com/columnis...1097/page/full


    And even if they were REALLY substantively 'freezing' Federal salaries, how about instead of that they quit the ridiculous spending junkets, the lavish parties, the frivolous trips with the massive entourages, the conventions, the 'training seminars' with expensive door prizes, and all the other wasteful, profligate spending every Federal department racks up every month? Regardless, the pay freeze comes after several years of massive pay INCREASES - so boo hoo - sad pandas and tiny violins for the poor, poor Federal workers who are some of the highest paid employees in the nation today and the horrible oppression they suffer because their over-paid salaries have been frozen.



    No - he does a mix of cheap, middle, and high. Problem is, not enough data exists because the HHS (who was supposed to supply data on the exchanges by now) has supplied only a tiny little propoganda blurb with no figures - so for many states the data doesn't exist yet. But the map accounts for that.
    That graph is a stupid comparison. Does the federal government employ a lot of illegal immigrant fruit pickers? How many teenage McDonald's workers are federal employees? Those two categories contain radically different industries and types of workers, of course their average pay is different.

    Am I reading that graph right? Like a 5-6% pay increase per year on average? That's probably less than I get in the private sector. Shrug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Depends on what state you're in TBH.
    You can get the worst and the best in California! From liberal SF, to technology in the silicon valley, drive over to the agriculture of the central valley on your way to see the pristine Yosemite National park before you ski some slopes at Lake Tahoe. Then you can see the theme park Walt built within a few hours of the ghettos that brought us NWA. Skid row, the mexican drug cartels, all mix with hollywood and the celebrity circus. California is known for its environmental protectionism as it drains the colorado river to a trickle for southern California. Its definitely a contradiction to say you're from California, it could mean so many things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duallegend View Post
    Having read all this I'm glad to be an European. I mean we pay a ton more taxes but most people dont really care about that since most off it goes to good things instead of pointless wars etc.
    and that's why your middle class is about as prosperous as American poor... your extreme taxes suppress the economy assuring that the basics are covered.. but there's really no mobility from that point.. so sure.. your basic needs are met.. and if that's all you want.. more power to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    That graph is a stupid comparison. Does the federal government employ a lot of illegal immigrant fruit pickers? How many teenage McDonald's workers are federal employees? Those two categories contain radically different industries and types of workers, of course their average pay is different.

    Am I reading that graph right? Like a 5-6% pay increase per year on average? That's probably less than I get in the private sector. Shrug.
    the point is that federal jobs and wages are increasing disproportionately to the private sector and state and local governments...
    the most beautiful post I have ever read.. thank you Dr-1337 http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post22624432

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishootblanks View Post
    and that's why your middle class is about as prosperous as American poor... your extreme taxes suppress the economy assuring that the basics are covered.. but there's really no mobility from that point.. so sure.. your basic needs are met.. and if that's all you want.. more power to you

    the point is that federal jobs and wages are increasing disproportionately to the private sector and state and local governments...
    "Prosperous" by what metric? The average HDI in most developed countries is higher than in the US, and said countries also have much lower poverty rates and higher rates of social mobility. They also enjoy shorter work hours and longer vacations. So yes, they may pay higher taxes - relatively higher, of course - but they live much better lives on average.

    Or it could be showing that private sector jobs are not increasing proportionately to inflation, which is more correct.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    There is a modern myth that people have always tended towards democracy, constitutions, electoral rights; but in truth, love of freedom has never been the predominant note of popular politics. At most times, popular demand has been for a strong government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishootblanks View Post
    and that's why your middle class is about as prosperous as American poor... your extreme taxes suppress the economy assuring that the basics are covered.. but there's really no mobility from that point.. so sure.. your basic needs are met.. and if that's all you want.. more power to you

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    the point is that federal jobs and wages are increasing disproportionately to the private sector and state and local governments...
    Instead of comparing private sector wages to federal wages, why not compare each wage to the cost of living over the past 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    I hung out with some friends the other day and one has a wife and 8 year old stepson who are recent immigrants from Chile. The child overheard us talking as one of us mentioned how he hated his job and wanted a new one. The child chimed in and said "why dont you just go on Obamacare?" We laughed and asked him "whats Obamacare?" To which he responded "its when you don't like working and the government pays for you."

    "Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is." -Yoda
    When I was 8, a classmate told me that Michael Dukakis would extend the school day from 8AM-3PM to 6AM-5PM and ban kickball, so I shouldn't vote for him in our 4th grade mock Presidential election.

    Was that you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    the similarities between an 8 year old and a right winger are sobering.
    Same could be said about nearly any liberal I ever spoke with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    Same could be said about nearly any liberal I ever spoke with.
    what a comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    That graph is a stupid comparison. Does the federal government employ a lot of illegal immigrant fruit pickers? How many teenage McDonald's workers are federal employees? Those two categories contain radically different industries and types of workers, of course their average pay is different.
    It also compares average to average. Average wages will fluctuate not only because of actual pay increases/decreases, but also because of fluctuations in the entire labor pool. In other words, if a lot of people within a particular sector who make below average wages for that sector either leave or their employment is terminated, or otherwise do not remain constant as a percentage of the total workforce, the average wage for that sector will go up.

    Quote Originally Posted by ishootblanks View Post
    the point is that federal jobs and wages are increasing disproportionately to the private sector and state and local governments...
    Which tells us nothing. What is the median educational requirement for a Federal employee compared to state or private sector employees? Has the Federal workforce been increasing, decreasing, or has it remained constant as a percentage of the total workforce? If its been changing, has the below-average wage Federal workforce been changing more than the above-average wage Federal workforce, or vice versa?

    You guys really need to learn how to do an apples-to-apples comparison. It'll make it far more difficult for demagogues and charlatans to sell you bullshit.
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    When liberals get their way and the nation becomes a coast-to-coast Detroit and collapses the survivors will be the exactly the type of people that liberals mock ...creating communities based on the values and ethics that liberals despise ...and succeeding once again because of the ambition and personal responsibility that liberals evade.

    What American liberal voters can't seem to understand is that their leadership is warping every resonable concept. They've been so mentally abused that they can't see the majority opposition isn't against things like green energy, or improved health care, or immigration. What they're against is the vindictive malicious tactics of liberal leadership which invokes emotion from ignorant people using the guise of a general idea while deploying a strategy that has no chance of actually making it work and all along blaming the other side.

    Please begin to question the motives of the people the the Daily Show tells you worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    When liberals get their way and the nation becomes a coast-to-coast Detroit and collapses the survivors will be the exactly the type of people that liberals mock ...creating communities based on the values and ethics that liberals despise ...and succeeding once again because of the ambition and personal responsibility that liberals evade.

    What American liberal voters can't seem to understand is that their leadership is warping every resonable concept. They've been so mentally abused that they can't see the majority opposition isn't against things like green energy, or improved health care, or immigration. What they're against is the vindictive malicious tactics of liberal leadership which invokes emotion from ignorant people using the guise of a general idea while deploying a strategy that has no chance of actually making it work and all along blaming the other side.

    Please begin to question the motives of the people the the Daily Show tells you worship.
    wow, kind of hard to chew on all that crazy. gotta ask, how you go about your daily life without suddenly going into a panic attack at the thought of liberals existing...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frumper View Post
    Instead of comparing private sector wages to federal wages, why not compare each wage to the cost of living over the past 30 years.
    because that doesn't give an accurate picture of where the problem lies.. federal spending is suppressing the private sector
    the most beautiful post I have ever read.. thank you Dr-1337 http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post22624432

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishootblanks View Post
    because that doesn't give an accurate picture of where the problem lies.. federal spending is suppressing the private sector
    elaborations are needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slybak View Post
    It also compares average to average. Average wages will fluctuate not only because of actual pay increases/decreases, but also because of fluctuations in the entire labor pool. In other words, if a lot of people within a particular sector who make below average wages for that sector either leave or their employment is terminated, or otherwise do not remain constant as a percentage of the total workforce, the average wage for that sector will go up.


    Which tells us nothing. What is the median educational requirement for a Federal employee compared to state or private sector employees? Has the Federal workforce been increasing, decreasing, or has it remained constant as a percentage of the total workforce? If its been changing, has the below-average wage Federal workforce been changing more than the above-average wage Federal workforce, or vice versa?

    You guys really need to learn how to do an apples-to-apples comparison. It'll make it far more difficult for demagogues and charlatans to sell you bullshit.
    the federal workforce has been rapidly increasing.. remember when Obama took office the federal budget was 2.7 trillion.. today (via CR) it's 3.8 trillion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    elaborations are needed.
    more spending > more debt > more taxes > less profit > cutbacks

    it's that simple..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    wow, kind of hard to chew on all that crazy. gotta ask, how you go about your daily life without suddenly going into a panic attack at the thought of liberals existing...?
    I've seen a lot of your comments and they're nearly always snarky remarks that add nothing to the conversation. Can you give us a reason why we should even read posts next to your name?

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