Ok so 2nd wing for 3 hours and 30 min with no loot at end is not my kind of fun.
What blizzard needs to add is that every time your group wipes on boss it adds determination stack. But unlike as its now, this buff STACKS and it will not disapear till the last boss is killed.
Main reason why is this needed, its because if you have already low dps that almost kills a boss with 5 stacks of determination on enrage timer you should not be punished on next one with few low dps (or healing) for killing it.
Leaving a group is NOT a option.
In total i had:
Dragon: 3 wipes
Machine: 3 wipes
Shamans: 6 wipes
Orc: 7 wipes
= 19 determination stacks
Well it would make lfr much faster and fun...unlike the horror we have right now. And it would be abused. If some1 in raid said... lets wipe 10 times PLZ he would be kicked instant anyway.
And yes i know some people are learning the fights....but stil....new people come every week and go.