For me as long as I can skip it, don't care whether LFR exists or not.
If it becomes too mandatory then I will be whining
I don't understand the blind defense of LFR. So far I have had a quicker experience in the 3 Flex pugs I have done than most of my times in any MoP LFR. Sure that is just my personal experience, but I think it is a pretty common experience from what I can gather.
I think the simple reasoning here is, raiding - organization / communication = bad time. I don't see how people can disagree with that core argument.
That said I think LFR is a fine thing to have but should be a little less time consuming given they give lesser rewards. Hopefully Blizzard will rethink it a little bit, but I don't think it should be removed completely, I think a lot of people want it to stay in game, and removing it would not benefit the game in any way, just give it a little more thought imo.
yep. i saw some tanks has lower hp than my resto shaman in lfr. i dont know
yet another lfr QQ thread....
if people don't like lfr and are tired of those noobs why not just leave it? for DDs and their waiting times you can easily setup a good flex group and easily clear 1 wing in far less time that creeping around in lfr. there are even many people looking for members to their flex raid. finding a good flex group takes much shorter that waiting for a crappy lfr group and people wipe around in lfr like hell, so where is the point of lfr anymore? it really is only for those absolute casuals. and let them have it, why not.
if you are so pro that you start arguing about how noobish they are then why not got an uncomplicated flex or maybe a normal 10 man random raid with a good group?
i am glad to be able to skip lfr now if a want a bit of fun without steady raidtimes and stuff.... lfr just sucks but as long as you don't have to run it, why bother about it. let the people queue up and play and stay away from it if you don't like it?
do people pvp when they don't like pvp? no, same should be for lfr....
Last edited by danuraya; 2013-09-30 at 08:06 AM.
Went into LFR on saturday for the newest wing. 1st raid on my healer we got to the shaman after MANY wipes on the previous bosses (new tanks and new raid members failed a lot)
I quit it after our 30th wipe over all as I ran out of time and had to go out. (set aside 4hours and id gone over by 30mins!) Came back on sunday the group I got had someone explain tactics for the whole raid and we one shot every boss bar nazgrim who was 2 shot. That was on my shaman. Going on the DK tonight
Moral of the story? Just get on with it if less people quit out of raids (yeh I know I had to quit but I was there as long as I could be) we'd be better off. Enjoying the slightly more difficult feel this LFR has at the moment. Its no where near normal or heroic levels but at least it gives me something to look forward to doing rather than the face rolls i got used to after tot was out geared.
LFR is Blizzard's answer to players leaving not giving into demands of "idiots." The majority of players have no interest in raiding and never have, do you think that if they were demanding accessibility it would be in the form of watered down content they have no interest in? Not only do they have little interest in this content it brings them in contact with raiders who look down on them.
As it stands only between five and ten percent of players raid to level of completing normal difficulty and far less progress through heroic despite the main focus of the game being raids. So perhaps the next time you feel the need to come to the forums to talk about the idiots it should be to thank them for subsidising the content you enjoy.
Last edited by Pann; 2013-09-30 at 09:46 AM.
no one forces anyone to do content they don't like.
I raid normal 10 man. I absolutely HATE lfr, I can't stand it. I only do flex MAYBE with my guild (not "random" flex), but if my GL tries to force me to flex, then he has to search for a new tank. I only went LFR lately (but even there, only shamans and nazgrim (I was that lucky, because we have downed galakras and juggernaut with our guild in 10 man already)), because I needed some runestones for my cloak quest. shamans were not that bad. of course people died because of standing in shit, but we killed them. nazgrim of course we wiped, but then I saw, LFR needs also a proper raid leader. yelling out the priorities to kill. yelling out damage stops (very important on nazgrim). wiped 3 times I guess, some people left every wipe, but never more than 2-3. killed him in 4th try. but then again, the only motivation was the runestone, and sice I have that now, I never will go see LFR again. not even for my shiny heirlooms. not a horde of a billion players could make me go set one foot in LFR again.
of course, if no one knows the fight at all, LFR is bad, because people don't give a crap. but blizz's intention is that people at least briefly read the dungeon journal to know at least the rough stuff of what the fuck is going on each fight. when people dont do it, it's their fricking fault. it's raiding after all, it gives 528 gear. if people want cheap gear with 3k dps and standing in shit and being dead 75% of the time, they have to go faceroll 5 mans. but then they don't get 528 loot.
blizzard stated some time ago, that they don't want LFR to be absolute faceroll with zero attention needed. it never was their purpose for LFR and it never will be... and it is not their problem, if you have the luck to get a group where nobody gives a shit.
LFR is NOT faceroll-AFK-stand-in-shit-give-zero-fucks-and-get-loot. LFR is raiding with a lot less dps/hps requirements, and many abilities being not really hurtful, but they still hurt if you absolutely don't give a shit. so if you absolutely don't give a shit, you don't deserve the loot, and therefore you will wipe (not you personally, but your group). you don't have to organize it, but the penalty for this is that you get less quality loot.
get over it, or skip LFR and organize your own group and go flex, which really is not that much harder, if at all, than LFR.
I tried to do lfr SoO 3 times in different days. Failed on second boss of wing 1 each time because ppl just dont know tacts and dont listen. Seems that most decent raiders who used to do lfr to gear up for normal version moved to flex and we are stuck with lots of dummies. i`ll try to gear up with timeles isle tokens upgrade rather than take the pain on LFR
Yeah, at least 40% of raids I get joined to are in progress. Would be fine otherwise, but it seems it takes longer for me to get into another run of that same raid after I've finished one.
Now you see it. Now you don't.
OP: right now people are leaving more frequently because there's a lot of clueless people in the raids so they just bail it, opening more spots in partially completed run. As the situation stabilizes , there will be less leavers and the LFR experience will become more enjoyable again.
Good thing is, that there's only 4 more items that I can upgrade from LFR. Hopefully I get more lucky on next week's flex raid so then I don't have to step to LFR ever again.
Last edited by h4rr0d; 2013-09-30 at 10:18 AM.
people get into progressed run.. mostly on nazgrim i think? so... then everyone leaves after shamans since they have alrdy done nazgrim... or they have alrdy done shamans and nazgrim and leaves after juggernut, and if its always was fresh run.. how would inprogress runs get more people??
"I had some bad luck and things didn't go my way, remove it please!"
Seriously though, you can always go for flex raiding if you are sick of people leaving LFR or runs already in progress.