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  1. #361
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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    Maybe the tanks new to the raid or something? You could also tank your self if you dislike the wait.
    No, I'm a Priest, if they take too long to pull in LFR I will pull, and fade onto them, or tell a Hunter to MD them.

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    It's early weeks of new content. It's always fairly bad until people get their heads around the scant few mechanics you *have* to pay attention to.

    In time people will learn the tactics, but I doubt it will be as good as it was in ToT. The main reason for this is Flex. LFR was previously held together by normal mode raiders (and the occasional bored heroic raiders). They weren't always the majority in a group, but they didn't need to be. Now those people are in Flex. They're not coming back.

    Flex is the LFR that many people wanted it to be. Something they could do fairly simply on alts, or with friends who couldn't do normal modes. LFR still has a place for those who cannot raid at a fixed time each week, but with OpenRaid and Flex, even that can be done for all but the most unsociable hours of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    No, I'm a Priest, if they take too long to pull in LFR I will pull, and fade onto them, or tell a Hunter to MD them.
    Ah so you're being an ass? Right cool got it. There could be a reason why the guys not ready to pull (there are two tanks so the other one should pull if ready and able).

    Still complaining about tanks and pulling and not resolving the situation is frustrating to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    No, I'm a Priest, if they take too long to pull in LFR I will pull, and fade onto them, or tell a Hunter to MD them.
    ...making you solely responsible for the resultant wipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    Ah so you're being an ass? Right cool got it. There could be a reason why the guys not ready to pull (there are two tanks so the other one should pull if ready and able).

    Still complaining about tanks and pulling and not resolving the situation is frustrating to see.
    Not really, I can keep them up.

  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by rebecca191 View Post
    I think they nerfed Nazgrim too. Miraculously 1 shot it tonight.
    No. He's just ridicilously easy.
    Kill banners/totems->adds->boss and don't stand in stuff. On top of that don't dps him while he's in defensive stance. That's all. He's really really not hard.
    Problem is people don't know the fight very well yet.

    This thread was up with ToT and the previous tier too. People whine endlessly in the beginning. If they can't handle dying, they should just wait to a month later when everybody is just as awesome as them. Tbh the people complaining the most are usually the worst players. Those doing crap dps, standing in fire and overall not knowing the encounter.
    Shamans is by far the boss i had most trouble completing in the lfr, but it's not a problem either. Unlike a lot of people here i know it gets better when people learn the fights.
    I don't even believe the one saying he got into 7 uncompleted lfrs in row. If you complete one that is in progress, then you're far more likely to get into a fresh one next time. Now if you just go "fuck this i quit" and leaves without finishing it, then nothing changes, AND you inconvinienced other people, which most here is all about... people not inconvinieng them :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    Not really, I can keep them up.
    I kick you for that. I'm pretty good at getting the first puller kicked. If i don't pull it's because the other tank don't know the fight and i'm telling him how to do it, or others.
    Advantage to being a tank is that you're in a very good position to get assholes like you kicked ^^
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    They talk talk talk their lives away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terridon View Post
    No. He's just ridicilously easy.
    Kill banners/totems->adds->boss and don't stand in stuff. On top of that don't dps him while he's in defensive stance. That's all. He's really really not hard.
    Problem is people don't know the fight very well yet.

    This thread was up with ToT and the previous tier too. People whine endlessly in the beginning. If they can't handle dying, they should just wait to a month later when everybody is just as awesome as them. Tbh the people complaining the most are usually the worst players. Those doing crap dps, standing in fire and overall not knowing the encounter.
    Shamans is by far the boss i had most trouble completing in the lfr, but it's not a problem either. Unlike a lot of people here i know it gets better when people learn the fights.
    I don't even believe the one saying he got into 7 uncompleted lfrs in row. If you complete one that is in progress, then you're far more likely to get into a fresh one next time. Now if you just go "fuck this i quit" and leaves without finishing it, then nothing changes, AND you inconvinienced other people, which most here is all about... people not inconvinieng them :P

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    I kick you for that. I'm pretty good at getting the first puller kicked. If i don't pull it's because the other tank don't know the fight and i'm telling him how to do it, or others.
    Advantage to being a tank is that you're in a very good position to get assholes like you kicked ^^
    Heh I agree its frustrating to see, I am normally whispering another tank when I go in (missed out on last weeks LFR run on my DK due to work this week it must be done) and doing tactics and stuff. When we're ready to pull we pull. Its annoying when people ninja pull as you can quite easily have several groups pulled and it causes deaths!

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by muto View Post
    No, I'm a Priest, if they take too long to pull in LFR I will pull, and fade onto them, or tell a Hunter to MD them.
    and people wonder why LFR is a cesspool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    The playerbase has been desiring this for years and when it's finally here, everyone wants to grab a pitchfork. Ridiculous. This community is disgustingly toxic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kezzik View Post
    First of all, let me get to this point first.

    1.) Has anyone else seen an INCREASE in chance of joining an lfr ALREADY IN PROGRESS? I don't WANT THAT. I want a FRESH RUN.
    You and everyone else needs to get this through your thick skull. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A FRESH RUN. It doesn't matter if you want a fresh run. EVERYBODY wants a fresh run. And that's exactly why they have to backfill in-progress runs: because if they didn't, nobody would ever join them. I would bet any amount of money that if ten people left your precious fresh run, you'd be clamoring for Blizzard to make it so you get ten new people so you can finish. Well guess what - sometimes you're the fresh run, and sometimes you're the ten new people. It HAS to be that way or no group would ever finish, especially in the first few weeks.

    That all said, I will NOT be doing any LFR this patch. Don't need to. Got flex now.

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    Went into LFR Wing 2 and Wing 1 with two chars today. One single wipe.
    Doesn't seem too bad tbh. If a lot of "real" raiders stopped doing LFR, their absence obviously isn't really a problem.

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    But the burdens are a lot harder to get than LFR items no?
    Don't know I used two and sold 7 on my main already (wee 5G <_<).
    Getting stuff in LFR is harder for sure due to retarded RNG and duplicate drops.

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    I did the second wing of LFR SoO yesterday, and one-shot the first three bosses, and wiped to Nazgrim at 3% due to enrage, killing him the next attempt. Was not a guild group. It can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Don't know I used two and sold 7 on my main already (wee 5G <_<).
    Getting stuff in LFR is harder for sure due to retarded RNG and duplicate drops.
    I only ever had 2 burdens =[

    But gear wise on my shaman its like raining gear so much my shaman is broke! :< no cash to buy enchants!

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    I only ever had 2 burdens =[
    Yeah, should I ever go on that Island with an alt that could actually .. you know .. USE those burdens, I'm sure I'll never see one drop.

    Blizzard RNG works that way.

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    Had 2 fully timeless equipped chars after the first week. However, most of the items I got are quite poorly itemized, so a lot of LFR stuff still should be better :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Yeah, should I ever go on that Island with an alt that could actually .. you know .. USE those burdens, I'm sure I'll never see one drop.

    Blizzard RNG works that way.
    Timeless was good for getting my alt to a level ready for SoO though. The upgrades there are better than timeless (even after burdens tbh as the items are poorly itemized)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    Have you done LFR? SoO LFR gear is 528. Timeless Isle gear is 496. Last time I checked 528 - 496 = 32, not -7.
    He's refering to the gear you get upgrading the Timeless tokens with Burdens of Eternity. That gear is ilvl 535 (as are the trinkets that cost 50K timeless coins.)

    BTW: I've found the Death Adders have a fairly high drop rate for BoEts. I think they upped the drop rate from non-rare mobs recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AVPaul View Post
    Problem is not in LFR itself, problem is in overtuned difficultly level.
    lol.

    To be fair, I agree that Part2 is pretty rough at the moment. But that's not because it is too difficult.
    It's just that everybody is used to brainafk (or just afk) and just focuses on killing everything that is attackable.

    Give it a few weeks and players will start to actually think (i have faith in humanity).
    Because if they don't, they will just not succeed or they'll get carryed.

    imo lfr was the worst thing they've implemented yet.
    Now they're trying to prevent this from happening.
    We will see how it turns out.

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  19. #379
    I am finding that less and less fights allow you to be afk in LFR. Dark Shaman is a good example, even though I told the group everything they needed to stay out of the tanks still seemed to think they could just tank and spank in the slimes, the red circle and drag the bosses and the melee dps through the lines of elementals.

    We had a tank that pulled while the second had yet to load into the dungeon locking him out, both quit, the tank left out complained something about not getting a tanking bag now and quit, then we had 2 tanks that decided to pull without finishing the trash, then 2 replacements who almost pulled the bosses before finishing the last 5 groups of trash, then we got 2 tanks who decided to tank and spank, then finally 2 tanks who knew what to do.

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    So far I have done most of my LFRs without any guildies. All of them went rather smooth tho not without wipe. Just maybe I actually tried put some effort to explain the tactics myself. Everyone listened and if something went wrong we were able to resolve the issue before next pull.

    So either I am extremly lucky or some of you simply don't want to put the effort to make the group work. I believe that 99% of groups are capable of killing any boss in SoO LFR with no big deal if only someone takes some time to explain stuff. You know, heroic guilds also wipe on stuff that they see for the first time (even after knowing the mechanics from journal) unless they overgear particular boss. The key to good LFR is patience - especially at the point when the content is fresh. I've never been in an LFR that I couldn't influence somehow to make it work better. So maybe it's not the problem with content or other people but you...

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