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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    No kidding. I recently played a free-to-play phone came and calculated everything I spent in it in two months.

    3 $49.99 reloads of "donuts" (Simpsons!) + 5 $.99 Golden Tickets + 1 $9.99 reload of donuts. About $165 in two months.
    Are you crazy? Why would any sane person pay for modifying few bytes in the memory of HIS OWN phone??
    If you can't play the game fair - install game guardian and cheat for free.

    The world is just crazy nowadays...

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    So if I'm not allowed to disagree with you or point out that some of your points are grossly inaccurate, what's the point of this being a thread? Maybe make a blog post somewhere? You're obviously quite angry at Blizzard for something.

    For one thing you're not making fair or accurate comparisons. Lets go over them anyway shall we?

    The only place where Blizzard deviates from the standard as far as MMO purchases go is that for most MMOs you can get the base game and all expansions prior to the current expansion for one price, and then the latest expansion costs extra. Where with WoW you get Vanilla, TBC, and WLK as one package, and then Cata and MoP are both separate IIRC. Of course every single one of your example games is a much smaller game than WoW and is fighting tooth and nail for every player that it can get. Where as with WoW, even after it's massive sub losses, can still get away with doing things like that. Most of the games you listed are only F2P because they failed, if they hadn't failed they would still be charging you a fee as long as it was profitable for them to do so. That's business.

    You are most definitely NOT required to pay the cost of every single expansion. At the very least BC and WLK are included with Vanilla now.

    I'll agree that the cost of the additional services is quite steep, and I'd like to see those reduced at some point. I have no issue with the cost of mini pets, that's fine, but yeah the cost of mounts is a bit crazy.

    The transmog armor, whether that has a future or not (Notice that there hasn't been more yet, if Blizzard were truly greedy they'd be pumping that content out quite rapidly.) depends largely on how popular it was. And by popular I don't mean "On the forums." I mean popular as in how many people actually bought those items.

    Blizzard, like it or not, is still the same company it's always been. Blame Activision for the things you don't like or them being corporate now or whatever, but this is the road they've been on forever. You want to criticize Blizzard? At least criticize them for things that they actually do. That's what I do when I have a complaint, I complain about things that they actually do. Going back as far as I can remember, every time Blizzard releases a new game in a series, it's less challenging than the previous game, and it's missing features from the previous game. Blizzard derps quite frequently.

    For as long as I can remember people have criticized Blizzard, the fans being the loudest whiners, and the complaints have not changed much in the 15+ years that I've been aware that Blizzard games were a thing. The truth of the matter is, if Blizzard was half as greedy as some people claim, they wouldn't be half-assing their potentially money making features. Look at StarCraft 2, they're putting faaaaaaar more money into that than one would expect them to, running worldwide tournaments for it for pretty much this entire year. They never launched the two ways they could have monetized that game, which were the map shop and paid name changes. I just don't see the greed.

    Capcom has done some pretty mehhh things. Like the SFxT on disc DLC thing. That was pretty sucky, because my opinion is that DLC should really be developed after a game is finished and be an add-on for the game, not something that's already done and then sold to players. However, Capcom is still a respectable company that still makes some amazing games. Their big issue, and why they are having financial issues right now, is that in recent years they've outsourced a lot of their games to western developers and the quality had gone down. They've now severed ties with those western developers and are taking the reins again for some of those franchises. Hopefully quality goes up. Hopefully their missteps have taught them something, and they're more careful / less sleazy with their DLC in the future. Capcom and Blizzard are nothing at all alike aside from being companies that can, when they try, make some seriously amazing games.

    You can call me a fan of those companies and dismiss my thoughts if you want, but you'd be wrong. I'm only a fan so much as I like StarCraft and WarCraft from Blizzard, and Street Fighter / RE from Capcom, but I'm not fanatical about them, and I'm not above criticizing either company, and sometimes somewhat harshly. Still I have to call it like I see it, and the majority of offenses mentioned in the OP are largely imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Please just stop.
    What a well written out and compelling argument. Thanks for enlightening a generation.

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    I love how people defend the ridiculous prices. What to change factions? 30 dollars!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    He has a point Trassk, admit it.
    They had the chance to put that set in the shop and they didn't
    Pretty sure they won't do the kind of event like the helmet again, blizzard knows what to do when negativity comes in place.
    I believe the negativity came in due to the price of the helms. Had they been 5 US dollars, IMO they would have been received a lot better. For me it wasn't the fact they were selling transmog gear (I saw this coming from a MILE awhile) but the price. Had it been 15 bucks for a gear set, ok sweet, but it was for a helm.

    With that said, I don't feel like outside of the normal services needed to buy anything from the store. I never played with the pets and even if I did I don't feel like I need to buy the pets from the store. Same thing for mounts, I am not a mount collector and none of the mounts make me want to spend 25 bucks. If it was 5 bucks.....maybe, but there isn't really a mount I want in the shop. Transmog gear, I love transmog, but I will never spend 15 bucks on a helm. This game has never made me feel like I HAVE to spend more money than 15 bucks a month.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupted View Post
    I love how people defend the ridiculous prices. What to change factions? 30 dollars!!!!
    I agree to an extent,

    But I'm also going to use logic and think the price is to also help avoid massive floods of people constantly using these services.

    I can't count how many times I've heard people say they'd transfer if "xxx service didn't cost that much, and if it was affordable I'd do it often !".

    I know it's anecdotal evidence, but I see it as being likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupted View Post
    I love how people defend the ridiculous prices. What to change factions? 30 dollars!!!!
    This is the thing I cannot understand, I can see why people would not have an issue with the prices but to defend them and go so far as to actually attack and insult people who do have an issue with them makes no sense to me.

    If the people that have issue with the prices of added services, expansions, etc are successful in causing Blizzard to review and reduce the prices surely the people that feel that the services, etc are value for money are now getting even better value?

  8. #208
    It's sad but it's so true, it's actually the main reason why I stopped playing this game and it's a shame so many people keep defending Blizzard's greediness.

  9. #209
    Realm transfers should be f****ing free atleast, give the player the ability to transfer 1 character for free atleast each month or two. Asking a lot of money for this is just legally stealing, other MMORPG's have free transfers aswell.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    Realm transfers should be f****ing free atleast, give the player the ability to transfer 1 character for free atleast each month or two. Asking a lot of money for this is just legally stealing, other MMORPG's have free transfers aswell.
    Let's say you have an icecream shop, and people are willing to pay 15 euro to put their icecream from a cup into an waffle. Why would you not accept it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    its not nonsense when you've been playing the game for years and seen it happening.
    As someone who played for over 8 years (from launch to just a few months after mists came out) I respectfully disagree with this statement. Yes there are more ways for blizzard to collect money. None of those features are necessary though. Either they are for convenience (race changes, realm transfers, etc) or they are for vanity (such as pets). None of these features provide ANY kind of advantage over another player.

    At the end of the day, blizzard's job is to make a great game. And in my opinion they do make a great game. Sub losses could be from various reasons, maybe it's because people see blizz as greedy, maybe people don't like the direction of the game/story, or maybe some people got tired of playing it however long they were playing it (it's why I stopped). There's numerous reasons, and I highly doubt that blizz is trying to grab at more money because sub numbers are down from what they were. They makes millions of dollars every year from subs alone. Heck, they could maintain a huge income from probably only a few million players.

    Blizzard needs to make money, that is their main goal (as well as making a good game). These services you talked about are just that. Services. Services SHOULD be paid for. They aren't mandatory.

    As someone who lurks the forums, I'll kindly suggest that I think you should try taking a break from the game. You seem like you're really invested in it, but almost every post I read from you is either bashing the story direction, or blizzard itself. Maybe the game isn't for you anymore? Anyway, as I said I respectfully disagree. I don't think blizzard has become greedy. At least, no more greedy than what they already were (they are a company after all). Calling a company greedy is like calling the sky blue >.>.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    What a well written out and compelling argument. Thanks for enlightening a generation.
    You have already had many well written and compelling arguments used against you. I'm trying to help you by asking you to stop.. sometimes people need that you know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    This is the thing I cannot understand, I can see why people would not have an issue with the prices but to defend them and go so far as to actually attack and insult people who do have an issue with them makes no sense to me.

    If the people that have issue with the prices of added services, expansions, etc are successful in causing Blizzard to review and reduce the prices surely the people that feel that the services, etc are value for money are now getting even better value?
    Value is subjective. And saying "No man, those options are OPTIONAL, don't use them if you don't want to pay!" isn't attacking someone. I know you have a victims mentality Pann, but get serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    Realm transfers should be f****ing free atleast, give the player the ability to transfer 1 character for free atleast each month or two. Asking a lot of money for this is just legally stealing, other MMORPG's have free transfers aswell.
    Thats in no way stealing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Horizon View Post
    Stupid! New things are always much better then the old things...
    New Star wars > old Star wars (crappy special effects anyone lol!)
    Justine Beiber > the beatles (shitty copycats music lol!)
    Twilligt > dracula, do I even need to comment loooool
    yea its probably nostalgia

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    there probably even charge us for character model updates when there finished, calling it now, this is what they will do.
    I was interested in the conversation until you spat out the stupidity that is the sentence I quoted. They aren't charging anyone for updated race models and you'd have to be inept on so many levels to think that they would.

    So you go ahead and 'call it now' - and when we start getting them for free, I'll be sure to send you a PM laughing in your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazypeon100 View Post
    They makes millions of dollars every year from subs alone. Heck, they could maintain a huge income from probably only a few million players.
    WoW is profitable for Blizzard at/around 1 million subs. So yeah, you're right. At 7.7m they're pretty much drowning in cash. Which, incidentally, would be a hell of a wonderful problem to have wouldn't it?

    "Help! Help! I fell into all this money and I'm drowning in it!"

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Now before you rant and rave about this, let me just break this down. You might argue that 'blizzards a company and needs to make money'. Yes, I agree with you, like any other gaming company. But, just like capcom has been doing now, it seems blizzard have been slowly, ever to inch by inch, finding ways to bleed more money from there consumer as much as they can.

    What do blizzard charge for from world of warcraft right now? Well

    - Cost of the physical/downloaded game
    - Cost of every single expansion
    - Cost of subscription fees
    - Cost of every kind of additional service like race/appearance/realm transfer
    - Cost of mini pets and mounts
    - Cost of transmogrifiable armor.

    Now, lets take for example other mmos. Games like Allods online, Tera online, Lord of the rings, Conan. These games are free to download and have no sub fees. They do have a system of buying items from an ingame shop, but compared to blizzard and what they do, thats nothing.
    Even games you buy like guild wars 2 are buy ones, no sub fees.

    What gets me more, is how this has happened over years, and these additional pay for features have been creeping in slowly. you again might argue 'well don't use them if you don't want them', but just like in the video about capcom charging money for cheat codes, a features they already implemented in there games, all so they can bleed more from the consumer, its exactly the same thing.

    There came a point then blizzard lost that connection with its playerbase, stopped being the awesome company that made fantasy worlds, and became driven by greed, yes, they've become greedy, no point defending this you know its the dam truth. This is where a split has happened between the developers and the consumer, there they stopped looking at them as loyal fans, and started looking at them as wallets with money in them.

    I do wonder what they intend to bleed the players for next? new raids (download raids for $5 each)?, instant max level? there probably even charge us for character model updates when there finished, calling it now, this is what they will do.
    I say blame capitalism. As long as there are people who're willing to pay for stuff, Blizzard or any other company for that matter will sell stuff. You're giving examples like Tera, Guild Wars, etc. Do you think those games wouldn't sell stuff more expensive if they had WoW's subscription numbers. Or look at games like Swtor, Lotro, Age of Conan all started out with subscribtion based games, only later turned to free 2 play model. Do you think those companies made their games available for free out of kindness of their heart?
    You don't like to hear it but it all comes down to don't pay for it if it feels so much. As long as companies are happy with their profits they sell stuff, when they're not they'll find more ways to bleed customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelkath View Post
    I fully agree. It's gotten to the point where unless the next expansion to be revealed is something insanely awesome I'm probably gonna pull the plug. Shit's getting too expensive when all I really do anymore is raid on the weekends.
    Too expensive? I pay less than 50 cents a day to play this game....that's some cheep entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupted View Post
    I love how people defend the ridiculous prices. What to change factions? 30 dollars!!!!
    Don't change factions....How hard is that?

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    There is nothing REALLY wrong with Capcom that simply throwing out the upper-echelons wouldn't solve. They have the talent and that talent has the dedication to their franchises. Sadly, Capcom Uppers have developed this insane formula where their games must sell an INSANE number of copies in order to be seen as successful.

    This translates to them publicly claiming X game in Y Series didn't meet expectations, even if it outsold the previous title in the series. Resident Evil games are a prime example of this. They reach an increasingly larger audience per game, but they continue to fall short on the money the big guys want to see. The SF series largely worked off of arcade funds 15 years ago, Capcom wants to see that revenue with the current franchise - they EXPECT a continual flow and it can only work like that with DLC - something they semi-pioneered, which worked against them.

    This is also mostly what happened to the Megaman franchise - they want 8 million units sold per title in a series? Megaman has *never* accomplished anywhere near that in a single game. It never will. So they dropped it.

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    Blizzard .... I am not even sure how a parallel can be drawn between the two when they have more or less three franchises that they put a ton of time and energy into, regardless of the vocal minority opinion that floats around on the internet. A few microtransactions for vanity items in WoW, out of the millions of items your characters can find for free (minus time) do not a Capcom make.

    Likewise, the RMAH in D3 was put in to try to provide a continual flow of capital to support that game. It didn't work out, so it is being removed. If it was Capcom, they would charge players a removal fee.
    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    Gold and the 'need' for it in-game is easily one of the most overblown mindsets in this community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    Realm transfers should be f****ing free atleast, give the player the ability to transfer 1 character for free atleast each month or two. Asking a lot of money for this is just legally stealing, other MMORPG's have free transfers aswell.
    Yes, because the people complaining that their servers are empty are going to be thrilled when a popular guild moves to a different server and drags 50% of the server population with them. That's going to work out wonderfully. :P

    Realm transfers have a cost partly so people won't do it en masse in response to petty things or even just rumors. I'm sure if someone started spreading a rumor that a realm's datacenter was under threat of being shut down for a while (for whatever reason), a lot of people would move out to Illidan or some other high-pop server. Letting people move freely only results in two things: empty servers at the source and queues on the other end. So, no: that's not a good idea at all.
    Roll the bones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Value is subjective. And saying "No man, those options are OPTIONAL, don't use them if you don't want to pay!" isn't attacking someone. I know you have a victims mentality Pann, but get serious.
    Which why I said that I understand people not having an issue with the price. I am not talking about people saying the services are optional there has been some incredibly rude posts in this thread including homophobic comments (which have thankfully been removed), comparing those that are complaining to the victims of sexual abuse and just the general level of rudeness that is unfortunately the norm from many posters as soon as someone says something that is not praising their favourite company. You really need to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Which why I said that I understand people not having an issue with the price. I am not talking about people saying the services are optional there has been some incredibly rude posts in this thread including homophobic comments (which have thankfully been removed), comparing those that are complaining to the victims of sexual abuse and just the general level of rudeness that is unfortunately the norm from many posters as soon as someone says something that is not praising their favourite company. You really need to grow up.
    I need to grow up? I haven't said anything abusive. To the contrary, the OP started out with hostile actions. I haven't seen any homophobic comments personally. I've just seen people disagree (rightfully) with Trassk and explain why.

    Disagreeing with you isn't attacking you, nor is it an insult.
    Quote Originally Posted by Horizon View Post
    Stupid! New things are always much better then the old things...
    New Star wars > old Star wars (crappy special effects anyone lol!)
    Justine Beiber > the beatles (shitty copycats music lol!)
    Twilligt > dracula, do I even need to comment loooool
    yea its probably nostalgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holtzmann View Post
    Yes, because the people complaining that their servers are empty are going to be thrilled when a popular guild moves to a different server and drags 50% of the server population with them. That's going to work out wonderfully. :P
    Now if only the other players could take advantage of the suggested free server transfer that the popular guild had just used to move servers?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    I need to grow up? I haven't said anything abusive. To the contrary, the OP started out with hostile actions. I haven't seen any homophobic comments personally. I've just seen people disagree (rightfully) with Trassk and explain why.

    Disagreeing with you isn't attacking you, nor is it an insult.
    Yes. What was you comment about a victim complex if it was not meant to be insulting? As I said the homophobic comment was removed (credit to the mods), in just the first few posts you, yourself, have called Trassk "paranoid" then are a few comments about him only complaining because Thrall is not Warchief as well as the obligatory "spoiled" comment. I know you struggle with the concept of politeness but none of these comments were needed in order to disagree with him or explain why, they are there to attack the poster rather than his argument.

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