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  1. #221
    All of the things you bring up, pay for transfer, name change, etc, have always been in the game (or if not in it, were not available at all). so they've never given it free only to charge later.

  2. #222
    The removal of the RMAH in Diablo shows that they have learned a painful lesson and are trying to fix their biggest mistake. All of the problems in Diablo came from the RMAH. The Online only requirements were there to prevent cheating and that caused lag and login errors. The drop rates were monitored and throttled to sustain RMAH prices. The game was short and focuses on grinding items instead of having hard and interesting bosses and mechanics. The list goes on.

    What the "Loot 2.0" system shows is that Blizzard realized that the 5% cut from RMAH isn't worth it in the long run. Releasing a subpar and unplayable piece of garbage is the quickest way to kill a franchise. They figured out that very few people are even considering buying the expansion pack (i know that i won't), if it doesn't have offline mode and better loot system.

    This 180 degree turn in Diablo gives some me some hope about the future of Blizzard products. If they stop trying to milk their players and instead focus on expanding their player bases the company will have future. But the future doesn't look good for Blizzard. Starcraft 2 popularity is going down even in Korea where League of Legends is becoming the new top E-sport to watch. Diablo left such a bitter taste that few people will buy the next expansion. Warcraft is getting far too old and it's loosing hundreds of thousands subscribers every quarter. Blizzard's sources of revenue are dwindling and they will have to decide between investing in new and better games that will make people gladly return or continue down the path of milking their shrinking player base until there is no one left and they shut down like many other studios before them.

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Now if only the other players could take advantage of the suggested free server transfer that the popular guild had just used to move servers?!

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    Yes. What was you comment about a victim complex if it was not meant to be insulting? As I said the homophobic comment was removed (credit to the mods), in just the first few posts you, yourself, have called Trassk "paranoid" then are a few comments about him only complaining because Thrall is not Warchief as well as the obligatory "spoiled" comment. I know you struggle with the concept of politeness but none of these comments were needed in order to disagree with him or explain why, they are there to attack the poster rather than his argument.
    Calling someone paranoid in their posting isn't the same as calling someone a homophobic slur. And yes, I find that you think everyone is attacking you and such. It wasn't meant to be insulting, it was meant as a means to help you understand that maybe, just maybe you aren't seeing things that clearly.

    If someone makes a public post on a forum asking what others think, mentioning I find his post and ideas as paranoid, and not clear thinking isn't wrong or bad. Calling someone a homophobic slur IS VERY WRONG, as I don;t even see how you could come to the opinion of Trassk being a homosexual, and why it would matter in this post.

    You just seem to think anything and everything that doesn't include "YOU ARE AWESOME!!!" is somehow a horrible insult, a form of bullying, and abuse. Thats simply not true.
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  4. #224
    Oh look another exciting thread about how blizzard is sticking it to players! The few million of us that still play must all be suckers!

    That 15 bucks a month sure is gonna break me. Damn you blizzard!

    I'm off to the bar to buy my 5.00 a pint beer. BBL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Now, lets take for example other mmos. Games like Allods online, Tera online, Lord of the rings, Conan. These games are free to download and have no sub fees. They do have a system of buying items from an ingame shop, but compared to blizzard and what they do, thats nothing.
    Allods online have one of the worst P2W systems ever implemented.
    Tera started as a sub game initially but collapsed like a sack of... err... decomposing organic matter, even in Korea.

    If you want WOW to become like that, thanks but I'll pass.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Calling someone paranoid in their posting isn't the same as calling someone a homophobic slur. And yes, I find that you think everyone is attacking you and such. It wasn't meant to be insulting, it was meant as a means to help you understand that maybe, just maybe you aren't seeing things that clearly.

    If someone makes a public post on a forum asking what others think, mentioning I find his post and ideas as paranoid, and not clear thinking isn't wrong or bad. Calling someone a homophobic slur IS VERY WRONG, as I don;t even see how you could come to the opinion of Trassk being a homosexual, and why it would matter in this post.

    You just seem to think anything and everything that doesn't include "YOU ARE AWESOME!!!" is somehow a horrible insult, a form of bullying, and abuse. Thats simply not true.
    I did not say it was.

    Brilliant, you deny being insulting with being condescending.

    The definition of being paranoid is being delusion or irrational and quite clearly has nothing to do with the subject of the thread. I do not understand what you are trying to say, there was a homophobic comment that was removed I do not see how you have come to the conclusion that this has anything to do with my opinion of Trassk's sexuality.

    Really I do not and I have been through this with you more times than I care to remember and I have no desire to explain it to you again.

  7. #227
    here is my opinion.

    I would almost rather buy a game for 60 dollars than play wow. When I buy a game at Game Stop, I know what i'm getting. The game I enjoy now, I will enjoy in the future. Wow is different though. Over the years, the developers have slowly stolen away almost every thing that made the game I paid and continue to pay for fun and enjoyable. Considering I don't want an item squish, and with this being forced on everyone, regardless of consumer opinion, I feel that this is the final straw. I would rather buy another troy ounce of silver every month than continue to allow the developers dictate how I play the game I pay for. That's just not what I find acceptable.

    As is my right as a consumer, I will not continue to pay fees to play a game that in my opinion has been destroyed beyond repair.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    There is a limit. I can guarantee we'd speak very vocally with our wallets if Blizzard charged for raids
    the boiled frog analogy applies. consider - its february 2007

    sor is introduced, with a free instant-60 in great gear on a realm you may never have played on before. also free xfer

    please note that as late a 2 years ago a person talking about instant-80-anything from blizzard would have been roundly ridiculed on this forum as a private-server player who was confused/trolling.


    pet shop, with boe pets you can sell which are endorsed by blue as a good way to get some extra gold for cash vs. goldsellers
    transmog gear cash shop

    well they would have gotten on as a game but it would have been shocking to a lot of players. I cannot help but think it would have damaged the franchise at that time among players that would tend to become long-term subscribers.

    Now, of course, its routine and just another day in the grind in Wow. So who can say how far will be too far? Give it time, and a future playerbase will gladly pay for things that this forum would mock or rant about now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    The removal of the RMAH in Diablo shows that they have learned a painful lesson and are trying to fix their biggest mistake. All of the problems in Diablo came from the RMAH. The Online only requirements were there to prevent cheating and that caused lag and login errors. The drop rates were monitored and throttled to sustain RMAH prices. The game was short and focuses on grinding items instead of having hard and interesting bosses and mechanics. The list goes on.

    What the "Loot 2.0" system shows is that Blizzard realized that the 5% cut from RMAH isn't worth it in the long run. Releasing a subpar and unplayable piece of garbage is the quickest way to kill a franchise. They figured out that very few people are even considering buying the expansion pack (i know that i won't), if it doesn't have offline mode and better loot system.

    This 180 degree turn in Diablo gives some me some hope about the future of Blizzard products. If they stop trying to milk their players and instead focus on expanding their player bases the company will have future. But the future doesn't look good for Blizzard. Starcraft 2 popularity is going down even in Korea where League of Legends is becoming the new top E-sport to watch. Diablo left such a bitter taste that few people will buy the next expansion. Warcraft is getting far too old and it's loosing hundreds of thousands subscribers every quarter. Blizzard's sources of revenue are dwindling and they will have to decide between investing in new and better games that will make people gladly return or continue down the path of milking their shrinking player base until there is no one left and they shut down like many other studios before them.
    well they went live in the first place with rmah which certainly says a lot about them as well. that said, I tend to think they will try to find smarter ways to implement a micro-transaction-pushed game format in future efforts. I don't know the game but everything I have read implies RMAH's potential greatly influenced some decision s on d3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marema View Post
    That 15 bucks a month sure is gonna break me. Damn you blizzard!

    I'm off to the bar to buy my 5.00 a pint beer. BBL.
    it's true that WoW is pretty cheap when you compare how most people spend their cash on weekends / friday night out at a pub etc. Staying in one friday night & watching a movie, not drinking etc would save you enough money to sub for wow for 1 month easily.

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  10. #230
    There is no other mmo I can think of that let it's servers die and then charged the people that wanted to keep playing to leave the dead servers. I would say that's about the worst thing you could do to your customers. I would say about half the servers are pretty much dead at this point and they are still not giving out free transfers so those people can leave.

    I am well aware of connected realms, it's a rather poor solution and bound to lead to either more people quitting or more people leaving those servers. No thought of faction balance with it at all. Does anyone really think taking two dead servers and merging them is going to make much of a difference at all?

    Server transfers are far beyond what they should cost in the first place and they need to offer package deals on them. They need to give out a certain amount for free per year as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert3620 View Post
    There is no other mmo I can think of that let it's servers die and then charged the people that wanted to keep playing to leave the dead servers. I would say that's about the worst thing you could do to your customers. I would say about half the servers are pretty much dead at this point and they are still not giving out free transfers so those people can leave.

    I am well aware of connected realms, it's a rather poor solution and bound to lead to either more people quitting or more people leaving those servers. No thought of faction balance with it at all. Does anyone really think taking two dead servers and merging them is going to make much of a difference at all?

    Server transfers are far beyond what they should cost in the first place and they need to offer package deals on them. They need to give out a certain amount for free per year as well.
    I actually believe connected realms are overall viewed as a good thing to Wow by most of the people. Blizzard even stated that the reason they are moving faction imbalanced realms together (such as Horde and Horde ones) instead of trying to balance the ratio is it is easier for the playerbase, and I fully agree with them. A lot of people play on imbalanced realms for the ease of it on their faction. If they didn't like it, there are balanced realms to move to, however it is just best for two Horde dominated servers to be placed together to not upset that balance and create a new experience people on those servers. And yeah, moving dead servers together will make a difference. Look at CRZ, as much as people hate them, it does make the world more alive and you see people questing a lot more often.

    Server transfers are a bit expensive though, that is true. But again, people pay it constantly so Blizzard has absolutely no reason to change it.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    If we get all these people defending Blizzard non stop.... yes expect that we get $5 raids, but knowing Blizzard these days its more like atleast $20

    We already pay enough sub for a month, its only disgusting to see them working on very fancy stuff thats only obtainable with real money. They could atleast make that fancy stuff obtaianble in game, instead of only real money...
    They already ask €20 for a mount, more like €60 for each raid. And yes, everything should be obtainable ingame, as we already pay a monthly fee. €20 for transfer and €25 for faction change is also too much, if Blizzard don't want people changing too much, add a cooldown on the account for the transfer, and on the server for the faction change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLstudioApprentice View Post
    They already ask €20 for a mount, more like €60 for each raid. And yes, everything should be obtainable ingame, as we already pay a monthly fee. €20 for transfer and €25 for faction change is also too much, if Blizzard don't want people changing too much, add a cooldown on the account for the transfer, and on the server for the faction change.
    If you want the price to go down, convince everybody to stop buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlingcloud View Post
    here is my opinion.

    I would almost rather buy a game for 60 dollars than play wow. When I buy a game at Game Stop, I know what i'm getting. The game I enjoy now, I will enjoy in the future. Wow is different though. Over the years, the developers have slowly stolen away almost every thing that made the game I paid and continue to pay for fun and enjoyable. Considering I don't want an item squish, and with this being forced on everyone, regardless of consumer opinion, I feel that this is the final straw. I would rather buy another troy ounce of silver every month than continue to allow the developers dictate how I play the game I pay for. That's just not what I find acceptable.

    As is my right as a consumer, I will not continue to pay fees to play a game that in my opinion has been destroyed beyond repair.
    well at least you're smart enough to not pay any more money for something you no longer enjoy
    i myself still enjoy wow and will continue to play for a while, but what i really don't understand, are the people who don't like the direction that wow is heading, or even hate it, yet they still continue to play it and complain about it while still giving money for it

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