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  1. #101
    2 lockouts per week
    10-25 separate lockouts.

    This means in this same amount of time, they've ran 10 and 25 probably 6 times each. 25 man does have bosses that are 10% stronger, but they beat it in 10 man with the upgraded 25 man gear (which is quite a bit higher in ilvl in Asia). I'll count this as a feat when wearing heroic gear to beat normal becomes a feat.

  2. #102
    10 ilvl headstart? the west first will be way more impressive

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by I Knew It View Post
    They are basically playing a different game..
    What's the game called? I might pick it up if it's any good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterstrife View Post
    World first's is world's first. Don't matter to me which country won or what ilvl gear they had (to point this out in the main post, the admins seems to kinda bias to US/EU groups).
    Grats to them!
    There is a reason for that. MMOchamp is Blood Legion's ass kissing site. We've seen that when Method gets world first but Blood Legion's video is the one on the front page cause of their association.
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    What's the game called? I might pick it up if it's any good.
    It's called World of Warcraft: Asia client. Twice as many lock-outs, better gear in 25's, soon to be cash shop, and pay by hour instead of sub

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    There is a reason for that. MMOchamp is Blood Legion's ass kissing site. We've seen that when Method gets world first but Blood Legion's video is the one on the front page cause of their association.
    They kiss Method's ass sometimes too. Like when completely ignoring the fact Paragon killed Lei Shen Heroic on 10 man first (and Method and Blood Legion played along with this too by claiming World First and World Second in big noticable numbers, then adding 25 man in much smaller numbers. Very deceptive).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatoss View Post
    It's called World of Warcraft: Asia client. Twice as many lock-outs, better gear in 25's, soon to be cash shop, and pay by hour instead of sub
    And no corpses or skeletons. At least in the Chinese version.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntaer View Post
    That shit doesn't count, asia has more ilvl than the "normal" people >.>
    i SO agree with you, its 10man, it doesnt count, ONLY 25 MAN COUNTS /:=)

  7. #107
    Looks like the poster missed the "World First" in front of "Heroic Garrosh Defeated" there. Nice try with the "oh but they have 8 ilvls on us" defense as well. Face it, they did it first and outplayed all of the US/EU guilds. If they were as good as you all like to believe they are they would have outplayed and 8 ilvl difference by now but they haven't.. Because the Asian guild was better. ggnore asia wins the world first race again

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Looks like the poster missed the "World First" in front of "Heroic Garrosh Defeated" there. Nice try with the "oh but they have 8 ilvls on us" defense as well. Face it, they did it first and outplayed all of the US/EU guilds. If they were as good as you all like to believe they are they would have outplayed and 8 ilvl difference by now but they haven't.. Because the Asian guild was better. ggnore asia wins the world first race again
    Asain guilds haven't had a significant world first since Yogg Saron, except in Dragon Soul and just now, both of those times they had an advantage that others did not; so, you cannot say that gear doesn't make a difference. It doesn't matter how good of a guild you are, you're going to get beat to a boss kill when someone has significantly greater gear. It's like saying that an Asain guild got world first Ragnaros when they have Dragon Soul gear. While yes, they did get world first, it's just not comparable to non-Asain guilds because their gear was far better. If the Asain guild had killed Heroic Garrosh Hellscream on 25 man, it would have been a different story, but they didn't.

  9. #109
    Totally doesn't count. Method and Legion would have it too if they had double lockouts. :P

  10. #110
    Big Grats! on the World First and Asia First heroic Garrosh kill. Now let's see who can get world's first 25 man.

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    Time passes... years go by... but people instead of getting smarter they get dumber by the day. I find that hilarious. I know a lot of you are kids, so you don't know better and you may never do. But anyone saying that people against this are Method/BL fanboy need to get their heads checked for "aggravated lack of some sort of intelligence".
    How can any of you enlighten people even for a second agree to call an Asian kill on a different client with a different set of rules a World first kill? Plz, stop being anti regions and use your damn head for once. They had access to gear no one else in any other region can, then they used it to kill 10 man HC, which has the same difficult then any other 10 man HC in the world. So let's pretend the immense difference in gear stats doesn't help achieving dps requirements, tank survivability or healing capability needed in some fights and instead let's claim it's lack of EU/US/AU skill to down bosses tuned for those regions with lower ilvs gear.
    Intelligence, good judgement and knowledge are not something easy to acquire these days it seems... if some you want to keep showing here how you lack all 3 of those then be my guest. One thing are different opinions another is the complete unawareness of how things work and should be judged in specific circumstances.
    Gz for their Asian World first. Still waiting for the World First...

  12. #112
    8 average ilvl is a world, when it comes to world first, hence the mention and the persistent interest in the still ongoing eu/us race (btw I don't care much about world first. And asian firsts, 10-man and 25-man first all have my admiration because they all are different ways (strategy in the asian case) to play the game)
    What I find surprising is that neither 10-man nor 25-man seem to have a net advantage on the other on this race. They pretty much had a similar progression in regard of time of bosses kills.

  13. #113
    8 average ilvl is huge in a race that you sometimes wipe at 0.1%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Looks like the poster missed the "World First" in front of "Heroic Garrosh Defeated" there. Nice try with the "oh but they have 8 ilvls on us" defense as well. Face it, they did it first and outplayed all of the US/EU guilds. If they were as good as you all like to believe they are they would have outplayed and 8 ilvl difference by now but they haven't.. Because the Asian guild was better. ggnore asia wins the world first race again
    0/10 too obvious.

  15. #115
    Blizzard failed, doesn't count, double lockouts don't count. More ilevel isn't even balanced. Blizzard failed.

  16. #116
    Cool. 10 Man in Asia is the same as 10man in EU. Except they have better gear and more lockouts. Pretty sure quite a number of the top EU/US guilds would have had it down for a while now in the same circumstances. Regardless I guess, grats to them, I'm sure it's still a difficult fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Looks like the poster missed the "World First" in front of "Heroic Garrosh Defeated" there. Nice try with the "oh but they have 8 ilvls on us" defense as well. Face it, they did it first and outplayed all of the US/EU guilds. If they were as good as you all like to believe they are they would have outplayed and 8 ilvl difference by now but they haven't.. Because the Asian guild was better. ggnore asia wins the world first race again
    Please be a troll. Please please oh please be a troll.

  17. #117
    A lot of people conveniently forget that Asian realms also get the patch 2-days later US realms (it used to be a week after) than and they don't get to participate in PTR, whereas US/EU guilds learn the boss fights way before release. The Asian 25-mans also deal more damage, so it balances out with ilvl.

    If you want to scream "unfair", then all previous World First were unfair to the Asian realms.

    10 Man in Asia is the same as 10man in EU. Except they have better gear and more lockouts.
    Asian realms, only 25-mans drop 2/4 gear and increased lockout. 10-mans are exactly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    They kiss Method's ass sometimes too. Like when completely ignoring the fact Paragon killed Lei Shen Heroic on 10 man first (and Method and Blood Legion played along with this too by claiming World First and World Second in big noticable numbers, then adding 25 man in much smaller numbers. Very deceptive).
    DREAM Paragon Heroic Lei Shen 10 Man World First
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...stone-Gameplay

    Method Heroic Lei Shen 25 Man World First
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...ue-Posts-Comic

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    25m Asian Guild went in and facerolled 10m in their 25m gear. Anyone who actually thinks that is outplaying western guilds needs a reality check.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by corebit View Post
    A lot of people conveniently forget that Asian realms also get the patch 2-days later US realms (it used to be a week after) than and they don't get to participate in PTR, whereas US/EU guilds learn the boss fights way before release. The Asian 25-mans also deal more damage, so it balances out with ilvl.

    If you want to scream "unfair", then all previous World First were unfair to the Asian realms.



    Asian realms, only 25-mans drop 2/4 gear and increased lockout. 10-mans are exactly the same.
    10 man and 25 are on separate lockouts.

    Each one can be done twice a week.

    25 man is tuned 10% harder, but the gear is also quite a bit better.

    This guild fed 25-man gear to the 10 best players, while also getting gear in 10, making it so they didn't just get twice the amount of practice and gear, but four times the amount of practice and gear than any other region in the world. I'm sure that FAR more than makes up for a two day loss on time.

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