I still think it should count. Its not their fault that they get all the advantages from Blizzard
I still think it should count. Its not their fault that they get all the advantages from Blizzard
>split lockouts, making it possible to raid not only 25 man in a single week, but also 10 man in the same week, unlike the remaining regions of the world that are still on the single lockout per week system implemented in cataclysm.
>higher item level gear for all 25 man encounters, every single item that drops in 25 player mode on asian servers is 8 item levels higher than anything that drops in other game regions, giving the asian servers a severe and vast ilvl advantage, in order to make the ilvl not too big of an issue, 25 man bosses have 15% more HP and damage than the eu/us versions of the ecounters, but the 10 man varient is identical, making it trivial for asian guilds relative to eu/us guilds who are 10 man specific.
>dual weekly lockout resets on previous tier content, whenever a new tier is released, the previous tier of content is put on a reset schedule of 2 resets per week, instead of the standard one single weekly reset, which allows the asian guilds vastly more alt gearing up opportunities and a vast advantage when it comes to class setup choices for every encounter over the eu/us guilds.
so in summary, everybody ignores the asian race and it is a seperate region specific race, not in any way connected to the rest of the "world" ergo, the Method kill registered in the last several hours, is the official "World first" and "west" first, whereas the kill registered couple of days ago by that chinese guild is also a "world first", but it is an "asia" first.
until such a time as everything is even between all game regions, there will never be a single world first race, and it will remain fragmented due to the numerous differences between region types.
hope this helps explain things, if not, well, i dunno what to say other than, oh well, we tried.
As well if there 10 and 25 mans were set up the same as us it would be one thing but they farmed 25 mans that get them 2/4 upgraded items on teh drop and then went back to 10 man that is tuned lower in aisian markets (thing WOTLK 10 vs 25 man raids) and then blew through 10 man heroic with the 25 man gear. It's apples to oranges..sure there both fruits but there totaly different fruits!
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Different circumstances = different "league".
It's like arguing that Indy and F1 should share titles because they both have cars.
The EU/US kill is the kill that everyone should care about because that was how Blizzard intended on tuning the content and it's also the game version played by most. Most of your argument is against the title itself being inaccurate but really when you correct it and make it "US/EU First" for the kill that matters then you're throwing away the often entertaining race to world first which really should include Asia if they would just make the gear and lockouts like they are in the West. "Race to EU/US First" is a needless change to the title of the competition amongst the US and the EU for the first kill of the boss with intended tuning. Leave it as it is even if you consider some kill which took significantly less effort than the real kill as valid for some reason.
Quick solution for Blizz make the Asian players gear scale down to the equivalent 10 man ilvl if they enter a 10 man so we won't have to deal with this shit in future tiers.
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It still reinforces the point that the "world" first race should be dropped and it should be done by region otherwise you get the stupid issue of "the world champions" for a race that is only eligible in one or two areas and not the whole world. Only thing I had wrong was the item level of the loot. Everything else was spot on.
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The World first is between players on the EU/USA version, Where you get 1 lockout, No pre-upgrades. The point is moot anyway the asiawow kill wasn't even 25H it was 10H which is the same as EU/USA but they had vastly improved ilvl. It counts only to them and rabid squinteye fanboys/trouble-causers.
I have yet to see any official rule or record even saying that the Chinese or Asians cannot compete due to an easier time. With no rules saying you cannot use a client other than the EU/US one then them getting the FIRST KILL just makes it VALID.
Show me some rules and i will say sorry and agree, but with no rules at all its fair game if they have got a first kill them gz they got it. Blame the rule makers not the origin of the people playing the game and participating in the race.
If the Olympics had no rules about using drugs and someone won gold, i would let them keep the medal. Why? BECAUSE THE OTHERS COULD HAVE USED DRUGS ALSO!
So much talk about "RULES" you have no rules, they have not cheated they killed the boss first with a handy-cap yes but they still killed it first.
If you want to make your own contest up with clear "Rules" go ahead and state them before it starts. Same as said with Olympics above, if its not in the rules not to then fair game.
If this competition was very serious you would have EU/US guilds playing on Chinese servers for world first. If they had rules however saying to be world first you need to be on eu/us client i would say thats kinda nasty and discriminating it is not there fault, but i guess they could play the eu/us client heh?
Separate the World first kills are the only fair way.
Just because they have a client made a different way than eu/us does not make them less legit at all. No rules say anything about them having to use an EU/US client and if there were then that would be discrimination for sure. Without the rules the world first title goes to whoever killed the boss first.
Last edited by Mr Chaos; 2013-10-01 at 02:47 PM.
Did this even merit yet another thread?
Different client, different rules and loot ilvl.
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Why are scores higher in American football than football played in the rest of the world?
It's because a "goal" in football is worth one point in almost every country, but 7 in America. And the Americans are wearing armor.
Same name doesn't make it the same game.
Your example is only apt if people were tying to make a case that a "World First" kill should be counted by some guy playing on a private server. Nobody is making that point in the same way nobody would conclude that Wedontcareaboutrulesestan's runner was a world record holder.
The raid team with an average item level of 570.16 killed it on 10 Man Heroic. After updating their progress to 14/14 the item level is 572.75.
Method has an item level of 566.8 giving them a total of 3.36 to 5.95 item level difference. A question that should be asked is when has item level ever been fair thanks to random drops. I don't recall any guilds ever having the same exact gear or item levels when competing for world first. I thought it was funny how the front page listed rounded up for the Asian/Chinese guild and rounded down for the EU/NA guildWorld First Heroic: 天 啟The group had a 573+ item level, compared to the top US and EU guilds that currently have a 565 item level.
World First 10 Man Heroic: 天 啟
World First 25 Man Heroic: Method
Region First EU Heroic: Method
Region First EU 25 Man Heroic: Method
Region First Asia Heroic: 天 啟
Region First Asia 10 Man Heroic: 天 啟
Last edited by nyxtyr; 2013-10-01 at 03:15 PM.
"World First Heroic."
You may claim that it's racist because "World first is only US/EU!!" but, as many annoyed crossrealmers and LFDers can attribute, US/EU servers are much more than just US/EU. that's where the 'World' part comes from.
The Chinese version of heroic are considered a different difficulty level because of the double lockout and the increased item level. thus, it's not the hardest, or true 'Heroic' version of the instances. that's where the 'Heroic' part comes from.
And 'First' is pretty self-explanatory.
Chinese guilds shouldn't expect for people to give them credit for a legitimate "World First Kill" if they aren't on an even playing field with the rest of the world. Wanna give them a title? sure, "WoWChina First Heroic(10) kill!" Grats to them. And Grats to Method for WoW First Heroic(25) Kill.
when wow asia became a different game then wow in the western world, different rules different race.......its like the super bowl and the grey cup.....both are football but their different competition as the rules are different.
honostly at this point world first is the wrong term. should be Asia realms 10/25 and eu/us 10/25
Sure they got the kill first.
But they're NOT playing the game how it was actually developed. Like it has been said 100 times already.
Bosses on 25 man have 8% extra health and damage not 10 man, and the world first kill was on 10man. 10 and 25 and normal and heroic don't share same lockout like in EU/US therefore they're already having around 3 times more advantage then us which is not fair. Their items are upgradeable 4 times, but they already drop 2/4 upgraded, so they can get total of 8 more ilvl on ALL items. It's not like comparing a man to a woman, are you really saying men are 3 times better then woman in everything? Wow, you really have no respect for women do you?
It's like you would compare 2 runners on the Olympic, one is wearing normal shoes, other one is wearing high tech boots that make you run 3 times faster then the fastest runner with normal shoes. And those rocket boots would not be qualified for a world firsts because it does go against the rules. That would mean it isn't world first.
So we can safely say that Asian guild is ASIAN first, but method is WORLD first. That's the only thing that makes sense, saying otherwise makes no sense.
If this does not clear this up then damn, your ignorance wont be cured.