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  1. #261
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    I'm surprised that so many get hung up on the word world.
    Of cos it is a world wide race in a sense but there is one thing more important than World and it is Race.
    For god sake use some tiny ammount of brain capacity and understand the meaning of context.
    Only regions playing under more or less the same conditions are allowed in that sense which rule out China by a mile.
    Yea US realms open a few hours before EU yada yada now compare that to having twice the ammount of lockouts among other things.

    The term world first was born long before most of current regions of the world even had access to the game, more or less US/EU.
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  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Dilbon View Post
    World first with a huge advantage is still world first. Unfair, maybe, but world first nonetheless.
    They got the World First Asian Heroic Difficulty kill. Not the World First Occidental Heroic Difficulty one. Occidental Heroic Difficulty is harder, and thus considered the real challenge. There was a World First Normal Mode Kill too, but it's not the one people will remember, is it? Same thing applies here.

    It's a shame they can't even try the hardest difficulty because their WoW is different and that they are "forced" to play on their own league, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world should forget about the differences that made that earlier kill possible.
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  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chaos View Post
    Just wondering really as i always figured they were part of the "WORLD" and this whole world first heroic kill applied to all people all over the world.

    The Chinese/Asia are part of the "World" are they not? Did they not kill the last boss on heroic first?

    Why are people discriminating against the Chinese/Asia. Do you think they are "lesser people".

    Lable the kill "EU/US FIRST" sure but not "WORLD FIRST" that is just not accurate you are devaluing the Chinese/Asia they play this game also and are just as much a part of it as you.

    I expect allot of EU/US is harder, Chinese/Asin's had better kit etc etc, but no just no! They should not apply at all they still got the "WORLD FIRST HEROIC".

    Chinese first kills I thought come much later than world first kills because the expansions are released at a later time in China due to strict government censorship and ideological policing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gee View Post
    Chinese first kills I thought come much later than world first kills because the expansions are released at a later time in China due to strict government censorship and ideological policing.
    Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria were released simultaneously in China.

    The reason they are considered part of the world first race is that they get two raid lockouts a week, meaning they get more attempts and chances for drops.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria were released simultaneously in China.

    The reason they are considered part of the world first race is that they get two raid lockouts a week, meaning they get more attempts and chances for drops.
    They also get higher ilvls.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Chaos View Post
    Then should the kills not be labeled "WORLD FIRST (EU/US CLIENT)" Or something i still do not see the logic.. FIRST means to kill something first and WORLD means everyone.

    They both fit into the WORLD and FIRST criteria regardless of difficulty.
    "Regardless of difficulty" would mean we wouldn't distinguish normal and heroic world firsts.

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Dilbon View Post
    World first with a huge advantage is still world first. Unfair, maybe, but world first nonetheless.
    Competition doesn't work that way.

    And if folks are going to insist that an un-level playing field is perfectly legitimate (which it isn't), then the only correct course of action is to disregard 'world first' altogether, and instead break things down by region.
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    Well if we count the lockouts fairly. Assuming across the board they only got 1 lockout per week.

    That'd put asia what, a month ? later than the US/EU kills?

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    What about Africa ?

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by chosenkiwi View Post
    They have 2 resets a week. 10 and 25 are seperate lockouts. Normal and heroic are seperate lockouts. Gear can be upgraded 4 times. iLvl is higher by default.
    this is true, sickening if you ask me, they get a little precious store too? kinda bias'ed if you ask me, it makes the rest of the world that play look like minorities

  11. #271
    Method got World First. Wowprogress, manaflask recognise this. They changed the system to remove Asia from the bracket, as asian realms are playing the 'ez' mode where they have much higher ilevel.

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushima View Post
    Method got World First. Wowprogress, manaflask recognise this. They changed the system to remove Asia from the bracket, as asian realms are playing the 'ez' mode where they have much higher ilevel.
    Wouldn't necessarily say that. The Heroic 25m difficulties between NA/EU and Asia are comparable given the bosses have increased damage and health to compensate on the Asian servers.

    The problem with the Chinese kill was that it wasn't done on 25m. They used their double lockouts and greatly superior ilvls to drop down to Heroic 10m and cheese a kill. 10m for them isn't changed and is the exact same as the 10m we face on NA/EU servers. But they were able to do it with like 20 ilvls higher than the intended tuning and get a substantially easier encounter than the rest of the world were facing.

    Had they gotten the world first kill on 25m, there would be no real controversy. What they did would be the equivalent to say if you had two raid locks during ICC, when 25m raiders had gear an entire tier higher, and a 25m guild dropped to 10 to steal the world first instead of finishing it on 25m.

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    Why are these threads still necessary?
    How can people possibly think that the Asian guild really got World First?
    Seperate lockouts, done with 25mH loot (2/4 Upgraded, when dropped) on 10mH.
    It would be kind of like giving a Chinese man a car in a foot race.
    So, long story short, since these has been beat to death:

    Congratulations, Method! For World First, and World First 25M
    Congratulations, Paragon! For World First 10M.

    To whatever Chinese guild may have killed Garrosh "First", play by the rest of the World's rules and we'll start counting you guys as part of it, until then, your kill is meaningless in the race.
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