Probably just all comes down to benefits, in Europe you can survive quite easily without a job for at least a little while, and jobs tend to give you enough money to save up a little. That on-top of quite good laws regarding holidays means you can sustain the life style much easier.
only few countries work 32 hours a week, where i live the normal working contract (if you are lucky enough to get one) is 40h/w but most of people work on saturday too (making it 48-50)
for example i work 65h/w on average and it's pretty common to go above 50
this is a graph with the average annual hours of different countries (and i bet there are a lot of unreported hours to add on a lot of EU countries)
I wish buddy. 40 hours per week is the norm here. 9 to 5 is normal in the US right so kinda the same. The difference could instead be in vacation days, but then Europeans are also better in games like Starcraft where it's more of a constant competition instead of a short progression period.
Sweden do not get 16 weeks. Teachers get a lot of vacation since students get around 2.5 months of break during summer and a bit less then 1 month during winter, but no-one else I can think off. Most people I know get around 3-5 weeks in total.
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Is what he's (also) saying.
Reporting thread for close since, provided accuracy (I didn't check), Firefly crushed this very general little question:
on the first page. Good show. Take the week off, everybody. You earned it with all of this off-topic vacation talk! You're like American Congress!Why is there such a disparity in guild success...
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But that's not what we were talking about though. I mean, we're talking full time jobs and how much time Europeans spend on a full time job in comparison to Americans/Canadians. In that context, it makes sense that the average American with a full time job will have less time to raid than an average European. Nobody will argue, that a person with a part time job, will have even more time. But we're talking full time jobs here.
37 hours per week is the standard in Denmark and only people who work in the private sector, will work upwards 50 hours. But that's the people making the really good money though and they're not likely to be your average gamer in the first place.
Students get paid to study, they don't pay as they do in the US. So even though you won't have a lot of money while studying, you can still manage without a job. Granted, most students do have a student job but they still have a lot more time on their hands.
Eh bien, vous devez certainement representer l'ensemble de l'effectif moyen du pays de France. Je suis content que vous etiez en mesure de sauvegarder votre message aux articles actualy situees comme je le faisais.
etre un francophone canadien-français. la seule bigoterie je peux peut-etre voir dans ce fil est vous faites hypothese et accusez-moi que je ne suis pas français moi-meme. Je pense que vous devriez modifier cela.
here is another document full of facts comparing Full time employment. which is not the average of all workers in either countries but still backs up my point.
http://www.businessinsider.com/avera...e-world-2013-8
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Euros are the Ubermensch. Being the greatest at everything just comes naturally to 'em.
A very simple explanation to this is that in USA most people generally speak a form of the English language whereas in Europe the primary languages spoken are more diverse. And it is easier to make a 10m heroic raiding guild in such a case. Case in point being Paragon.
I would be interested in seeing some real data about the average player age of the top 100 guilds in both U.S. and Europe. My impression is that it would skew a bit older in EU which might have an effect on guild stability as well as how well the guild works together and everything that comes out of that. It may be nothing at all but it's something that might be enlightening.
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"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
You are looking to far into this.
There are more hardcore raiders in EU because Northern Europe is a place where you stay indoors for the majority of the year, in door activities are preferred over going out, whose to blame them? Its - all the time, raining and snowing non-stop in some cases.
I am from Greece where we have a normal weather..Warm Spring/Hot summer/Rainy-Cold Autumn/Cold Winter, i went to Sweden for 10 days, it was literally raining for 10 days non-stop while snowing sometimes in between and slowing down now and then but it was raining NON-STOP.
Who would want to be outside when it god damn rains 24/7 or snows?
There is a reason most top guilds are Scandinavian/German/Russian populated its because they stay inside a lot, they look at games as main to only activity and they are just good at them.
Stop saying people work less, this is such false information, god knows from where people get them.
Not all Americans work as long, not all Europeans work as long, minimum work hours in Greece is 40 hours for a full job, no students and similar bullshit jobs.. and for the last 3-5 years it has been over 50 cause people hire people with the logic "We know you are desperate, either you work extra hours or we find someone else".
Saying "Europeans" work less is dumb, North Europe is too cold for outdoor activities therefor people stay inside and play games, they dedicate a lot of time and become really dedicated/good at them.
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I think there are just better options out there in terms of gaming. Consoles especially are a lot more socially acceptable here than the pc gaming stigma of living in moms basements and raiding 15 hours a day.
vous frère fou?
ok that's the last .
but i think the average wouldn't be more then a year or 2 difference on average if that, but none the less i wouldn't mind seeing some real data on that. might be kind of neat.
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have you ever been to Canada?
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As a state worker in Spain, i work the requisite 40 (forty, not 21) hours per week, plus weekend shifts and, i get to enjoy 22 (which is roughly 3 weeks, not quite 12) days off work. Still many of us do raid in competitive (or casual, as its my case) guilds. It's just a matter of personal choice on what you want to invest your free time.
OT: Why are there less US guilds? less population, probably not really into competition where no reward is available...or maybe it's just that the average gamer differs from one continent to the other ("child's stuff")
Personaly, I got a 38 hour contract with occasional saturdays, late and night shifts.
But thats in a pretty good company that is present all around the globe.
32 hours (atleast in germany) is something you will most likely never see.
The norm here would be 40 hours, with most people actually working way more, way closer to 50 hours AND saturdays.
But like everywhere, there are both sides, some work less than in the US, some work the same.
And out of all raiders from the EU, there will be some from both sides.
If you really want to push worldfirsts, you gotta make sure you can though, how you do that is up to the person I guess.