View Poll Results: Should they keep LFR in the next expansion since flex is now available?

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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Blackmore View Post
    Anyone with working brain cells knows that LFR and Flex address different issues.
    You would never know that from the threads on these boards most days. ;/

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    As others mentioned, I'd say remove normal and replace it with Flex is more sensible
    I voted yes and that is from a guy who use only LFR, because as veteran wow player who started in vanilla (didn't play cata almost), servers now are completely horribly DEAD because u can do everything solo by queue without even need to say hi or spit on anyone else
    Yes I'm relaxing singing for LFR queue and not bothering, but I want social to be put back in wow, we don't know half of people who play in same server now, I bet most people can't name top guilds on their servers (except the few with Method guild or whatever), and that something that annoys me
    We don't know anymore who is good tank, or healer, or even dps to queue with in dungeon|
    We don't know when someone like Smokee (random name i recall since bc days) for example says he will organize a raid tomorrow and people rush to sign with him to go
    Social part of wow is DEAD, and only way to revive it is sadly force people to revive it, u can't compete with "free" no matter how crappy free is and good non-free is
    And before any smart answer and say no one stop u from be lazy, i can't move entire server social back so i'm not fighting the current i'm swimming with it better
    Only way is to change the current flow itself and that is something that only blizz has the power to do (or a very good hacker)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    As others mentioned, I'd say remove normal and replace it with Flex is more sensible
    I voted yes and that is from a guy who use only LFR, because as veteran wow player who started in vanilla (didn't play cata almost), servers now are completely horribly DEAD because u can do everything solo by queue without even need to say hi or spit on anyone else
    Yes I'm relaxing singing for LFR queue and not bothering, but I want social to be put back in wow, we don't know half of people who play in same server now, I bet most people can't name top guilds on their servers (except the few with Method guild or whatever), and that something that annoys me
    We don't know anymore who is good tank, or healer, or even dps to queue with in dungeon|
    We don't know when someone like Smokee (random name i recall since bc days) for example says he will organize a raid tomorrow and people rush to sign with him to go
    Social part of wow is DEAD, and only way to revive it is sadly force people to revive it, u can't compete with "free" no matter how crappy free is and good non-free is
    And before any smart answer and say no one stop u from be lazy, i can't move entire server social back so i'm not fighting the current i'm swimming with it better
    Only way is to change the current flow itself and that is something that only blizz has the power to do (or a very good hacker)


    Can't take away normals, anyone who does heroics would know the jump from flex would still crush guilds. And flex has brought back some of that social aspect that has been missing, I see flex raids everyday in chat and my guild joins together with 2 others on our server to run flex for alts and mains that might need an upgrade. No flex and this wouldn't be happening but this is just an example from my server

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    Quote Originally Posted by peggleftw View Post
    Try again, not everyone who does LFR is a "bad".
    2 people run LFR now that flex is the easy casual raiding style.

    1. Bads

    2. People who cannot find a raid or PuG to save their life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    2 people run LFR now that flex is the easy casual raiding style.

    1. Bads

    2. People who cannot find a raid or PuG to save their life.
    3. People that have awkward hours that fit no guilds raid schedule or pugs.

    4. People that don't wish to set their gametime to a raid schedule.

    And there are probably many other different situations.

    I know I am no.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Blackmore View Post
    Anyone with working brain cells knows that LFR and Flex address different issues.
    Flex can and does address all of the same issues as LFR without watering down the content and destroying the community at the same time. The ONLY difference between the 2 is that one holds you accountable for your actions (or lack their of) while the other doesn't.

    I've said this many times before. Had Blizzard stuck with the WotLK raiding model of normal modes being very easily puggable, there would never ever in a million years have been a need to implement LFR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glitch View Post
    3. People that have awkward hours that fit no guilds raid schedule or pugs.

    4. People that don't wish to set their gametime to a raid schedule.

    And there are probably many other different situations.

    I know I am no.3
    Flex raids do NOT function around a raid schedule. What don't you understand about the idea of "pugging raids". And were there to be a global (cross realm) chat channel for finding said pugs (like...I don't know, oQueue?) you would never ever want for LFR again.
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    A better design would be to replace normal with flex. It would make the most sense seeing as LFR keeps a majority of the casuals busy throughout the patch. Normal is mostly irrelevant at this point because guilds either do it once then go heroic or they struggle to barely finish. It would also help cut down on the raid difficulties and tone down the ilvl jumps between tiers.

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    If the quality of LFRs in general remain this poor, then no. Unless you're clearing LFR on reset day, you're likely to get a bunch of clueless or lazy muppets who simply expect loot to fall into their hands. I actually wiped in ToT, while trying to get the last of my Secrets (Not played for a few months, so I'm vastly behind on the Legendary), repeatedly to Horridon because there were only 4 of us on the adds. That's fine until they decide its smart to ignore the now overwhelming number of adds and then also ignore the War God. 3 times this happened, so pointless. If people would understand how fights are supposed to be done months after their release, LFR would be so much better.

    I just don't know what drives people to be so fucking moronic in LFR, no wonder the queues are longer with more and more people skipping LFR in favour of Flex runs.
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    I'm not nor have I ever been a Heroic raider. And for the most part, heroic raiders are far more concerned with simply progressing and doing so by any means necessary than watered down content/gear. So my post was more aimed at the vast majority of raiders: people who do LFR or Flex or Normal Mode and are very likely to compare the 3 in their minds and begin to regret playing the same game 3 times.
    That's my point, if you want the prestige of a kill then raid Heroic. Or normal if that's enough for you. If you don't care about such things, LFR and Flex are there for you.

    The game has a range of raiding options and if you don't like the one you're doing, it's because you're making the wrong choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    That's my point, if you want the prestige of a kill then raid Heroic. Or normal if that's enough for you. If you don't care about such things, LFR and Flex are there for you.

    The game has a range of raiding options and if you don't like the one you're doing, it's because you're making the wrong choice.
    I could definitely enjoy having say...a Gorehowl from Karazhan or Dragon Spine Trophy from Gruul without seeing 4 different versions of it around everywhere. And this was in patch 2.4. Why are there 4 different versions of Hellscream's Mannoroth Tusk Shoulders available? How does that not water it down for the casual player.

    The Heroic player concerns himself with the numbers more than the item. "Lesser" players are more often in it for the world and what's in that world is my argument here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    Flex raids do NOT function around a raid schedule. What don't you understand about the idea of "pugging raids". And were there to be a global (cross realm) chat channel for finding said pugs (like...I don't know, oQueue?) you would never ever want for LFR again.
    Depends. You still need to sit down for an indeterminate amount of time, both while the group is forming and during the raid. Unlike say LFR where you can queue and afk, and quit at any time (LFR is also faster and requires less concentration - at least it will be once the "new wing blues" are over). Much easier to fit around a sporadic schedule.

    Like my wife will often say "let's watch something" when I'm halfway through a raid of some kind, and if it's not LFR I'll have to say "can't now, raiding". And I'll be off in a few hours. That can be shitty.
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  12. #72
    Other: leave it in, but re-tune it as a 25-player scenario with a similar loot system. The reward bag at the end should have a chance to drop loot comparable to the associated Flex tier.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    I could definitely enjoy having say...a Gorehowl from Karazhan or Dragon Spine Trophy from Gruul without seeing 4 different versions of it around everywhere. And this was in patch 2.4. Why are there 4 different versions of Hellscream's Mannoroth Tusk Shoulders available? How does that not water it down for the casual player.

    The Heroic player concerns himself with the numbers more than the item. "Lesser" players are more often in it for the world and what's in that world is my argument here.
    Eh, I have no sympathy for people who use gear to measure e-peens. The fun of the game is killing bosses not walking up to other people and saying HEY SCRUB I'M BETTER THAN YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post

    Flex raids do NOT function around a raid schedule. What don't you understand about the idea of "pugging raids". And were there to be a global (cross realm) chat channel for finding said pugs (like...I don't know, oQueue?) you would never ever want for LFR again.
    What part of *I don't have the schedule to hang around looking for pugs for flexi raids or normals raids, so I LFR instead* do you not get? I often have to suddenly log mid way through stuff I'm doing, is that fair to these pug groups? Why should I install even more addons when there is a perfectly good LFR queuing system?

    I like LFR because I can log on at any time of day and get a group, do my stuff and log off or do other things I enjoy too.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    Flex can and does address all of the same issues as LFR without watering down the content and destroying the community at the same time. The ONLY difference between the 2 is that one holds you accountable for your actions (or lack their of) while the other doesn't.
    You're not going to get anywhere with that -wrong- argument. LFR addresses the issue of people who don't have a lot of time to raid or can't allocate contiguous blocks of time to doing one thing. People can come and go as the please in LFR and nobody cares. Someone who did that in a flex pug raid would quickly get the reputation that they're not reliable.

    Flex cannot replace LFR. This is an immutable fact.

    Flex raids do NOT function around a raid schedule. What don't you understand about the idea of "pugging raids". And were there to be a global (cross realm) chat channel for finding said pugs (like...I don't know, oQueue?) you would never ever want for LFR again.
    How about you don't tell other people what they would and wouldn't want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post

    Like my wife will often say "let's watch something" when I'm halfway through a raid of some kind, and if it's not LFR I'll have to say "can't now, raiding". And I'll be off in a few hours. That can be shitty.

    Exactly, and these days if my husband asks if I fancy going out to eat or go watch a movie while I am ingame doing anything, I will drop the game like a hot potato gladly, even if I was guild raiding, because the game isn't as important or rather priority for me now, like it was when i was younger and had more free time and less strings attached to my life.

    I love being able to play but not feel I *need* to be online, and I wouldn't want to cause another 24 or 9 people problems because I suddenly had to leave.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by The Glitch View Post
    What part of *I don't have the schedule to hang around looking for pugs for flexi raids or normals raids, so I LFR instead* do you not get?
    I know the answer: none.

    Flaks simply doesn't get that there are aspects of LFR that can't be replaced with Flex.
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  18. #78
    People have a huge misconception about why LFR exists. It isn't to see the content, it is to get as many people as possible to do the same content over and over again. Because it is cheaper for Blizzard if they can keep people busy without actually having to make stuff for them.

    If Blizzard thought people would actually do them they would have 10 levels of the same content and say progression is LFR ->More keyboard and less face -> I read a guide once -> Sub Normal->Almost Normal->Normal-> I wanna be a hero when I grow up-> Heroic -> Masochistic -> Even too painful for the masochists

    The reason we don't have more modes is people just wouldn't do them. So long as there are people that will run LFR it will exist because that means Blizzard doesn't have to make content for those people who would be bored without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Blackmore View Post
    I know the answer: none.

    Flaks simply doesn't get that there are aspects of LFR that can't be replaced with Flex.
    It honestly confuses me so much that people can't understand that everyones lives are different, and what seems totally doable in terms of fitting in scheduled raiding for them, is not always possible or wanted by others.

    I'm doing no one any harm when I log in, I go about my business with no fuss, do the things I enjoy , help my friends, chat have fun, do LFR, and feel like I have accomplished something in my gametime, why do people see that as bad? Or rather *wrong* just because it's not what they think I should be doing? Because it's not how they would do it? /sigh

  20. #80
    The fact that the "No"s are as high as they are shows how out-of-touch and short-sighted many many of our forum goers are. Getting rid of LFR would drive WoW into a F2P death spiral faster than you can say "BC was best!"
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