Page 5 of 9 FirstFirst ...
3
4
5
6
7
... LastLast
  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    Yes actually it is. Everyone on this planet can and should make over a million dollars. They just have to put in the effort to get there. Same as putting in the effort to get a legendary.
    Someone's gotta do them dishes.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinBash View Post
    Sounds like some butthurt sillies are mad I got a cloak from LFR. I earned it fair and square with the system available. Why would I want to lose that system? Why should someone else get something I don't? They aren't better players than me. They already have heaps of gear I won't get from heroic modes. Heroic modes should just drop transmog gear anyway so they can pat themselves on the back. The current system works great for casual players to slowly work at over the course of an expansion. I just don't see why so-called 'hardcore raiders' should get legendaries and nobody else. They just spend a lot of time beating content that gets easier and easier every week with more gear until they get it done then act like it's a great accomplishment. Not saying they shouldn't get legendaries, just that everyone should get them if they work at them the same amount of time.

    Stop being so mad badcore raiders. I got my cloak and if you don't like it, I don't care. It's going to happen again so get used to it babbies.
    I bet they prolly are. they get that shitton of heroic gear for being better than you and killing heroic bosses.
    do what you feel.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Shrug. I kind of prefer this method of legendary. Previous ones were shitty in that you were or weren't eligible to go for one on something as arbitrary as what class you chose to roll. I mean it worked great for the Rogue legendary in that you got a super cool rogue themed quest chain, but I think they can provide that sort of content without having to give out an OP legendary at the end, like they did with the Warlock green fire chain.

    Not that the rogue legendary was OP, they were actually not that great.



    This is nonsense really, every single legendary has been completeable in NM so it's never been based on difficulty. They're just a grind/RNG and little more.
    That's a lie. Valanyr. Goodbye. And because you can do it on normal mode you should be able to do it in LFR which you just needed to be breathing to do? Sorry no.

  4. #84
    Bloodsail Admiral sscavenger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    1,180
    Legendaries should be part of an x amount of set gear that levels with the character. Oh and only one person is allowed to have the legendary items. So the only way you can get a legendary is to have been playing since launch. Still playing. Chosen the specific class that the legendary was custom made for. Be both lucky and skilled enough to get the items necessary to make the legendary. And finally be either an orc or a human as those are the only ones that the legendary should be usable by. So class and race would also factor into this. Only by doing all of this, will people stop bitching about too many people getting legendary items. Also if the person with the legendary items quits playing nobody on that server will be able to get the legendary items. One person, per server, forever.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Yobtar View Post
    Could I get a Legendary during Cata? No, raiding as the wrong class, a Paladin.
    Could I get a Legendary during Wrath? I didn't raid during Wrath.
    Could I get a Legendary during TBC? No, raiding as the wrong class, a Priest.
    Could I get a Legendary during Vanilla? Yes! Oh wait, no, even though I raided Naxx 40 (as a priest) from the day it was released until 2 weeks before TBC we only go enough shards to make 1 staff.

    I'm happy that after all this time I was able to get a Legendary that didn't require me to be raiding as a certain class or get a really really low drop item.
    That's beside the point. You support the interclass legendary not the LFR epic(it is an orange epic not legendary sorry).

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Canderous1 View Post
    i like how the legendary cloak was done in this expansion. why make something like that and just automatically exclude most of the people who play the game? it was a long quest, it took some time and effort.

    i would propose to blizzard that in the next expansion when they have a quest like this, you can avoid the mass qq'ing by simply changing the name of the item from orange color to purple color. oh yea, please dont call it legendary, just call it epic. most of the players who have the cloak could care less what color the name is or if its 'epic' or 'legendary'.

    oh and yea, please make something that only 1 person on the server will ever be able to get so people can fight over being a rockstar.
    HAHAHAHAHA the people who would cry bloody murder right now if we made the cloak purple instead of orange are

    1) the very people who claim they don't care about color

    or

    2) the LFR/barely normal flex mode heroes who feel speshul now

    The two can be the same person.

  6. #86
    Dreadlord Annarion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    998
    The Legendary Cloak was the carrot to make people do their expansion-long quest chain that tied the story and raids together, via Wrathion. It is an excellent experiment in story-telling that hasn't been accomplished in WoW thus far. MoP has had a lot of pitfalls from a gameplay/enjoyment perspective, but overall as a cohesive experience it has been the best. It's the attunement quests from TBC that everyone begged to have back, but instead of using it to gate content, they used it go give access to great self-buffs and items. I couldn't be happier with the Legendary Questline and rewards, and I hope they refine their model and use it more going forwards. I'd love to see the quests start when the expansion starts, instead of at max level. How much more immersive would it have been to have seen and interacted with Wrathion a few times on the level up, only to realize later that he guided and coerced you into going where he needed you to go, so you became what he needed you to become. There's your depth of story.

    Imagine if certain events in TBC tied together with great lead-in quests. Kael'thas dropping that crystal into HFP, Vashj draining Zangarmarsh. The cultists in Auchindoun and the Blood Elves in Netherstorm. Instead of random and seemingly unlinked encounters, they could have used a longer story questline to bring all these events together, to see Illidan's master plan. The same can be said of Wrath. Sure you see Arthas here and there, and the Grizzly Hills/Zul'Drak connections are actually really good, but what if levelling up through Northrend gave you a clearer glimpse of Arthas' strategy, and the raids we did were to help thwart it directly, instead of just picking off whatever targets were available. Draw the raids into the story instead of being just what's there.

    Oops, sidetracked.

    TL;DR: The Legendary is to make people do the story quest. The story quest is what made MoP good, and I hope they continue in the future.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    Yes actually it is. Everyone on this planet can and should make over a million dollars. They just have to put in the effort to get there. Same as putting in the effort to get a legendary.
    Actually if you spread out the total currency and capital wealth of the world evenly everyone would only have about $2900, so that's not really true.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Annarion View Post
    Actually if you spread out the total currency and capital wealth of the world evenly everyone would only have about $2900, so that's not really true.
    You forget the part where we can print more money?

    And besides, you're missing the point. The point is that if someone wanted too they could make over a million dollars. You just need the drive to do it. I'd love to make over a million a year but I'm to lazy to actually do it. Bill Gates on the other hand isn't to lazy and thus he does it.

    Signature Created by Sonridor

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Mokoshne View Post
    making the legendary such a long grind only penalises returning subscribers who feel they cannot catch up and will therefore be at a disadvantage for a very long time and may infact just give up
    How is that any different from the Firelands staff? Anyone who returned to the game could never compete with them unless they went and started the grind.

    It's called an incentive to NOT quit the game. I can't see why it's such a problem. You get rewarded for.. playing the game.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Legendary quests should never have been doable in LFR. Im hoping with flex around now if they decide to follow a similar path next expansion it will only be Flex/normal/heroic since they'll never make it be "heroic content only" as legendaries should be.
    Agreed. I'm all for everyone seeing the content through easier difficulties, but the difference between LFR, Flex, Normal Heroic should be gear, the fact that you can get an item that out performs the best heroic gear from LFR is a little strange.

    Not really sure how they would have implemented this though, having people work through the questline w/o the legendary reward while still enabling them to complete things on the other difficulties to get the reward if they feel so inclined.

  10. #90
    The Patient
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    221
    I'd love to make over a million a year but I'm to lazy to actually do it.
    I'm sorry if I sound skeptical, but is that really the only thing stopping you?

    HAHAHAHAHA the people who would cry bloody murder right now if we made the cloak purple instead of orange are

    1) the very people who claim they don't care about color

    or

    2) the LFR/barely normal flex mode heroes who feel speshul now

    The two can be the same person.
    The people I most hear bemoan gear color are normal raiders, who think LFR should reward blues.

    The issue I most have with this discussion is the assumption that everyone who runs LFR must be some kind of mouth-breather, whereas normal-modes and up are without exception WoW pros who min-max for 0.1% increase and know their classes up, down, and sideways. The generalizations are just astounding.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Senjinone View Post
    Oh rubbish, first off the amount of time needed to put in is one of the challenges. Most people will not get this legendary because they don't have the dedication needed to get it. Second, its not like the other legendry's took any sort of skill from the individual either, just time and nice friends.
    Third, why on earth should I pat my back for getting a virtual cloak with a orange name? That's just silly.

    - - - Updated - - -



    Ah yea not the final thing, my bad.
    The fight against the Black prince
    I already detailed in another post how getting warglaives which people claim were just a drop was harder and required more labor than the current legendary. For the current legendary you had to do 2 battlegrounds, kill an elite, do the celestial trial and maybe you can count the coins part. Every other quest involved something you were already doing. It took ZERO dedication or extra time really. Claiming titan runestones or secrets of the empire took any time or dedication is humorous since they dropped from.... omg bosses in your current tier. Valor took time or dedication? Oh wait you got it from clearing raids.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimson View Post
    I'm sorry if I sound skeptical, but is that really the only thing stopping you?

    HAHAHAHAHA the people who would cry bloody murder right now if we made the cloak purple instead of orange are



    The people I most hear bemoan gear color are normal raiders, who think LFR should reward blues.

    The issue I most have with this discussion is the assumption that everyone who runs LFR must be some kind of mouth-breather, whereas normal-modes and up are without exception WoW pros who min-max for 0.1% increase and know their classes up, down, and sideways. The generalizations are just astounding.
    You misunderstood the point. The people who WOULD cry about the color changing downwards are the same people who say "why do you care about the color so much". If we made LFR drop blues the LFR bads would cry bloody murder all day when they had previously said they didn't care about color or ask the above stated question. They use the color argument when if it were switched they would demand their color back.

    In regards to the mouth breathers, the people who aren't mouth breathers in LFR are either running normal/heroic or weird(like myself atm wasting my time with just LFR and galavanting around the isle when I could easily get into a raiding guild). Casuals can EASILY EASILY EASILY clear normal and some parts of heroic. Don't ever try to say otherwise. It is not casual vs hardcore it is goods vs bads.
    Last edited by purebalance; 2013-10-04 at 06:26 PM.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimson View Post
    I'm sorry if I sound skeptical, but is that really the only thing stopping you?
    Yes actually. If I wasn't I'd study every day to better myself so I could get promoted at work and up the ranks until I make the money. It all boils down to your drive. Or I could study all the time until I came up with the next great invention.

    What separates the top tier raiders from the rest of us? Skill. And how do you get skill? Time and practice. And how do you make time and practice? With your drive and motivation. Same for Tiger Woods and golf or anyone about anything. If you've got the motivation and the drive to pursue it you can do anything.

    Signature Created by Sonridor

  13. #93
    Scarab Lord Mokoshne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    getting a coffee
    Posts
    4,256
    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    How is that any different from the Firelands staff? Anyone who returned to the game could never compete with them unless they went and started the grind.
    I'm not saying its different. I know plenty of people who got their firelands staff mid dragon soul. My gripe is that when you are a returning player and you feel penalised by a fairly large margin for not having something that everyone else has... it can suck, and when it takes so long to grind it can feel like a barrier to entry. Then couple with it that you (correct me if i'm wrong) cant do Ordos world boss without a cloak etc. It's just lame.

    I get that the cloak is a reward for the subscribers who stuck it out with the game, but when a heroic raider who quits at the end of T14 comes back for Siege and feels like they cant get into a heroic guild because they are months behind on a legendary it is super lame, why bother. just come back next expansion. Money blizz loses on and one less person to game with in game.
    My weekly podcast can be downloaded here this week The Fappening; jennifer lawrence's private images leaked all over the internet?

  14. #94
    I'm glad I got the cloak. It feels kinda cool to have an item that feels a little OP. But the grind to get it was kinda lame. They could have come up with more interesting grinds to do. I think a potential solution to the gripe felt by a lot of raiders would have been to keep the cloak epic quality just of a much higher level, then put one final grind within normal+ content to upgrade the cloak to an epic version.

  15. #95
    Theres never been a deafacto model for obtaining legendaries. Theres been quest chains that began with low drop rate items, class exclive quests, spec exclusive quest chains and even some that simply dropped off of bosses.

    Pandaria just decided that after 7 years of "only this group of people get to be rewarded for their time" it would have been nice (and it is nice) that instead of the now predictable weapon with orange tooltip and OP proc, it would be a cloak and it would be obainable by anyone that dedicated its game time to get it.

    I know some people think that just because they do normal or heroic raids their time is worth more. People that got their cloak via LFR spend a considerable ammount of time playing the game. Completed all the tasks and got justly rewarded for their time investment.

    Heroic raiders are rewarded enough for their effort. Its good that they get rewarded for their effort. Its when someone start with the "no one but heroic raiders deserve X" argument that I start to get a bit mad.

  16. #96
    The Patient
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    221
    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    Yes actually. If I wasn't I'd study every day to better myself so I could get promoted at work and up the ranks until I make the money. It all boils down to your drive. Or I could study all the time until I came up with the next great invention.

    What separates the top tier raiders from the rest of us? Skill. And how do you get skill? Time and practice. And how do you make time and practice? With your drive and motivation. Same for Tiger Woods and golf or anyone about anything. If you've got the motivation and the drive to pursue it you can do anything.
    Maybe this is true for your circumstances? I can tell you that most people, regardless of how hard they work or devote themselves, will never make $1M/year. And studying all the time will not necessarily yield a great invention. But all that is besides the topic here.

    In regards to the mouth breathers, the people who aren't mouth breathers in LFR are either running normal/heroic or weird(like myself atm wasting my time with just LFR and galavanting around the isle when I could easily get into a raiding guild). Casuals can EASILY EASILY EASILY clear normal and some parts of heroic. Don't ever try to say otherwise. It is not casual vs hardcore it is goods vs bads.
    I think you are misunderstanding me here. I am not making a casual vs. hardcore argument; my argument is that not everyone in LFR is terrible (people like yourself, and I like to think myself run LFR rather than join a guild), and not everyone in a raid guild is a Simcraft-quoting chart-topping monster.

  17. #97
    Titan Kangodo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Posts
    12,984
    Quote Originally Posted by Stonecloak View Post
    Now I know a lot of people prefer the old model of legendary's, and some who enjoy the new approach.
    What old model?
    Classic:
    1. Craft epic and upgrade it with a rare-drop
    2. Two rare-drops and a lot of materials
    3. Collect 40 drops and get a free legendary
    TBC:
    4/5. Be very lucky with drops
    WotLK:
    6. Collect 30 drops and get a legendary
    7. Craft an epic, do raiding-quests and collect 50 shards.

    Personally I prefer the Shadowmourne way.

  18. #98
    The Insane det's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    The forums
    Posts
    17,692
    Quote Originally Posted by Stonecloak View Post
    ... Have an expansion long questline ending with a legendary, and a legendary for a specific class. .....
    So 12 legendaries? one for each class plus one as it is now? What good is a legendary anyhow by the end of an x-pac?

    Just to annoy people: Legendaries should be LFR only, because LFR people clearly need all the help they can get. With 14/14 HM cleared after 2 weeks, the true heroic raiders need no legendaries (ok..so they all had that cloak - guess if that cloak was aquired the old way, garrosh would still live cause only 1 guy would have it)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

  19. #99
    You'll never be a unique snow flake, who really cares if everyone can get a legendary? At least in this expac, regardless of class. Example, when I hardcore raided in WotLK as a Tank DK, There were so many people in front of me to get Shadowmorne, even though I could have used it too.

    This expac was a legendary "solo" adventure as you quested with Wraition. Come next year, no one will care about your oranges, just like no one cares if you got daggers from the last expac.
    "Clearly every aspect of one's life, from financial stability to social popularity, to sexual prowess can be boiled down to 4 numbers: One's Arena rating" ~ Xandamere

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimson View Post
    Maybe this is true for your circumstances? I can tell you that most people, regardless of how hard they work or devote themselves, will never make $1M/year. And studying all the time will not necessarily yield a great invention. But all that is besides the topic here.
    Then they are pushing themselves enough. You're right this is off topic so we should stop but whether you want to believe it or not anyone can do anything if they put their mind too it. If you're not succeeding where you want you are not pushing yourself as far as you need to, to make it possible. And that's the bottom line.

    Signature Created by Sonridor

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •