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  • They should be allowed to serve, no holds barred.

    12 8.05%
  • They should be allowed to serve with strings attached.

    13 8.72%
  • They should be allowed to serve on a case-by-case basis.

    79 53.02%
  • They should be barred from any military service.

    35 23.49%
  • Uncertain.

    10 6.71%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    One of the big reasons not to let people with health conditions in the army, is that they have higher chance of dropping out. Training soldiers is not cheap, and spending a ton of money on something you are not getting your money's worth on is not that smart. The army is not there to offer job opportunities to people, it is there to do it's job as cost effectively as possible.

    Exhibit A.

    I was dumb fuck and didn't tell the army doctors about my health conditions during the first week medical tests because I thought I could handle it, and take a guess what happened? I was in training for 3 months and then ended up dropping out. During those 3 all I did was waste the army's money.
    May I ask what health conditions you had?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    May I ask what health conditions you had?
    I'm wondering the same, Basic isn't all that hard. You just do your best not to stand out and be able to handle a bit of shouting here and there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    I'm wondering the same, Basic isn't all that hard. You just do your best not to stand out and be able to handle a bit of shouting here and there.
    How do you know?

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    It depends if they're a liability or not.
    One cannot simply quit wow his way into Mordor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    How do you know?
    Been to a few bases while Basic is going on, physically speaking it's pretty simple for anyone in decent shape. The drill sergeants yell at people to train them to handle pressure because they can't exactly shoot at them with guns as a way to imitate pressure because that would be life threatening therefore they resort to shouting. Most people are smart and understand to stay quiet and keep their mouth shut and not to say anything that would make them stand out. Then you get your other people who are complete idiots such as the ones who get a haircut and ask for the guy to keep a bit of hair on... That right there is a start to getting yourself noticed in the wrong way. Drill sergeants will team up on you if you make a scene and I mean it can get bad, keep your head low and do what you have to do.

    To be honest, the drill sergeants can be quite funny sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    Been to a few bases while Basic is going on, physically speaking it's pretty simple for anyone in decent shape. The drill sergeants yell at people to train them to handle pressure because they can't exactly shoot at them with guns as a way to imitate pressure because that would be life threatening therefore they resort to shouting. Most people are smart and understand to stay quiet and keep their mouth shut and not to say anything that would make them stand out. Then you get your other people who are complete idiots such as the ones who get a haircut and ask for the guy to keep a bit of hair on... That right there is a start to getting yourself noticed in the wrong way. Drill sergeants will team up on you if you make a scene and I mean it can get bad, keep your head low and do what you have to do.
    Unless you have been through military training you are not in a position to claim something is easy, lots of things go on in basic training that visitors will not see. They will be exhausted, very hungry and disorientated, shouting is a very tiny part of training, infact being shouted is one of the easiest things to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    Unless you have been through military training you are not in a position to claim something is easy, lots of things go on in basic training that visitors will not see. They will be exhausted, very hungry and disorientated, shouting is a very tiny part of training, infact if being shouted is one of the easiest things to deal with.
    I guess I'll have to go through it and get honors during graduation for it and tell you then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    I guess I'll have to go through it and get honors during graduation for it and tell you then.
    At the end you will claim it is easy, but I bet you wont be saying that halfway through training. Starvation and exhaustion makes everybody cranky, no matter how tough they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    At the end you will claim it is easy, but I bet you wont be saying that halfway through training. Starvation and exhaustion makes everybody cranky, no matter how tough they are.
    Dad said the same thing, I'm sure there will be times where I find it annoying/difficult but it's nothing I can't do (I'll tell myself that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aang View Post
    Dad said the same thing, I'm sure there will be times where I find it annoying/difficult but it's nothing I can't do (I'll tell myself that).
    The way I did it was taking baby steps, I did not look forward to the end of my training instead I looked towards the end of every week, those 2 hours off every Sunday to attend church (yeah right!) were a God send, no pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euphonious Monk View Post
    Military admissions standards, at least in the US, shift depending on how many billets there are to fill. A few years back, you could get in with a GED, a drug conviction, and maybe some minor medical issues (although never diabetes - they can't guarantee you'll get insulin in the field, and if they do get it to you, they can't guarantee temperatures low enough that it won't die and lose its effectiveness). Now the services are drawing down and the minimum requirements are becoming more stringent. It's just the way it works.
    As long as those involved understand the risk, where's the harm?

    You can enlist, but there's no guarantee you'll receive your insulin and should you become a liability, you'll be on your own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    As long as those involved understand the risk, where's the harm?

    You can enlist, but there's no guarantee you'll receive your insulin and should you become a liability, you'll be on your own.
    You would ask people to leave one of their own behind? One of their mates they have drank, slept and trained with all that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    You would ask people to leave one of their own behind? One of their mates they have drank, slept and trained with all that time?
    Yep. And if anyone tries to help them, the officer should publicly execute both of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    Yep. And if anyone tries to help them, the officer should publicly execute both of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    As long as those involved understand the risk, where's the harm?

    You can enlist, but there's no guarantee you'll receive your insulin and should you become a liability, you'll be on your own.
    For one, this goes against the training creed of pretty much any army ever.

    For another, supply chains aren't 100% reliable. Getting stuck on duty and your supply chain gets wrecked? Well, there go all your diabetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    Yep. And if anyone tries to help them, the officer should publicly execute both of them.
    Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    To prevent the derailing of another thread. By "relatively minor," I mean things like diabetes, but excluding things like paralysis and terminal cancer.

    If you believe they should be allowed to serve, should they only be allowed in non-combat positions? Also, how would you deal with sending them medication?

    Note: I'm not referring to lowering the standards of the military, these people would still have to undergo the exact same training regiment as everyone else.

    If you think diabetes is minor you haven't seen what it can do to people.

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    Case-by-case. Keep in mind it's not just that person who's life is at risk but also the lives of those that serve with them. An illness could very well interfere with their capacity to perform a task at hand in dire circumstances. And yeah, diabetes is not minor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH8472 View Post
    ...my initial medical tests took 3 days, they poke and probe every orifice.
    A one day medical that you voluntarily retook twice?

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    I was denied by the military for having a back that is too straight. I got multiple clinic scans saying it will never impact my life in any way or shape and they found it strange they would deny me for such reason.

    Even having known this huge dissapointment, I understand why they will not accept me. If they have to ignore my minor birtherror then they would have to do it for other people as well. They draw everyone over the same line, which is a hard and sometimes silly one...but overall the best one to deal with.

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