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If it ain't bound to those keys, I'm clicking.
If I'm lazy or not worried about what's happening, I click exclusively.
If I need to click, I use WASD for movement.
If I don't need to click, I use the mouse for movement.
It's all very situational.
You are currently casting or on gcd, you hit the spell 0.2 before gcd/cast finishes, your next cast queues then begins the MOMENT it can. This is spell queueing, you lose 0 dps for clicking 0.2 seconds earlier instead of mashing your button the 0.2 seconds before.
You can't, unless you make a macro for every imaginable circumstance as a tank your going to fail to be able to use everything. If I were to click I'd want a Barkskin macro with mangle, thrash, swipe, FFF, lacerate. Then I'd also want more for maul even just those 2 abilities that are off the global would take 5 macros, and how would I ever use DOC to heal others in the raid? I certainly wouldn't be able to use my mouseover macro if I'm a clicker.
To put it another way - could you hit these 3 keybinds fast enough with 1 finger? Yeah easily.
Running in. Nothing targeted run in, get sacred shield ticking,pop initial pot, judge initial target via mouseover macro, frisbee second target via mouseover macro keybind, taunt a fifth target in via mouse over macro keybind, drop a hop on the over zealous melee via mouse over macro keybind, concecrate, shield of the righteous initial target as it moves into melee range, pan camera around to ensure everybody else is where they need to be.
As opposed to
Run in. Click on a mob. Move mouse back down to bar. Click sacred shield. Move mouse over to pot button. Click pot. Move mouse to inistal target. Click target. Move mouse to judgment button. Click judgment button. Move mouse to secondary target. Click secondary target. Move mouse to frisbee button. Click Frisbee button. Move mouse to fifth target. Click fifth target. Move mouse to reckoning button. Click reconling button. Move mouse to over zealous melee. Click over zelous melee. Move mouse to hop button. Click hop button. Move mouse to concecrate button. Click concecrate. Find inital target. Move mouse to initial target. Click inital target. Move mouse to shield of the righteous button. Click shield of the righteous. Pan camera aroudn to ensure everbody else is where they need to be, while struggling to maintain my rotation because my cursor is nowhere near the buttons I need to click.
There is no bad RNG only bad L2P
I am geting tired of this strawmanning of clickers by keybinders as if keybinding is a noticeable performance increase, it really isn't, get over it. Not sure if I wll keep up with the thread at this point as it's just a circlejerk of keybinders bashing alternate styles of play.
What i dont get is, how do clickers rotate their angle of view, while clicking? Must be very stressfull
I also dont get how they use abilities which are off GCD, exactly in time, while maintaining their rota properly.
I knew a hunter which was awesome @ dps. When he told us he is a clicker everyone was baffled, i couldnt believe it @ first until Al'akir HC.
He wanst able to collect the adds fast enough and still evade the whirlwinds. He said himself that he got problems in rotating the camera fast enough and while keeping his DPS up.
Same problem should occur in Arena.
€: He changed his complete playstyle because of that one Boss. He never clicked again his main abilities. Otherwise we would have never had a chance against Al'akir HC.
I used to play as a clicker (I use a naga now) and I started using addons like bartender very early on because having abilities on a 4*9 grid is much easier than having them on a 2*12 grid with another 1*12 grid next to it. It's just a lot further to move the mouse.
I don't think this matters nearly as much as you think it does.
they never dared telling the raid leader they are actually clicking due to the above mentioned narrow minded view.
However like others have said its not always about key bindings its also about skill. i myself only need to glance over my bars to see what i need to click.
I have been doing this since vanilla and i bet i will still do better dps/ healing then a lot of so called elite keybinders.
successful =/= still in normal modes.
How would you heroic leap or anything that required placing something on the ground by mouse click? For me, I move my cursor to the spot I want and click with the other hand. It's like comparing the damage of a 1h weapon vs someone dual wielding... by having both hands working at the same time you can get more things done with less effort (and thus faster.)
I use the default UI, only visual addon I have is Rogue Power Bars (situated near the action bar cause I cant look at both the top and the bottom of the screen at the same time.) I did move all the portraits, mine to the lower left beside the action bar, and my target to the middle right above "lower right action bar". It's all about organization of the hotkeys. for instance action bar is 1 2 3 4 5 6 e r t mouse4 mouse5 blank: lower left is a-1 a-2 a-3 a-4 a-5 a-6 a-e a-r a-t c x z (the last 3 are macroes with alt functions) then the bar to the right f g s-f s-g s-e v(the mount macro) and far to the right are macroes for gear swaps etc.
I psudo-click while healing, but I use mouseover macros and Vuhdo for that.
Thinking further I think the difference is how you move. To those of you who click, do you turn with the keyboard? I need to have my mouse available to turn (and keyboard is for strafing or power-forward only.)
Last edited by Jaojin; 2013-10-08 at 02:35 PM.
I'm a heroic raider and If I'm eating while raiding I become a full time clicker. Harder as a melee but it's a breeze as a healer or caster.
I had a mate I used to raid with, the first raid leader I knew from TBC. He is a damn good player and was one of the top PVE rogues on our server during WOTLK, he was a clicker. Though he didn't use the blizzard UI, instead he had a bar mod to make certain buttons larger, his sinister strike button was huge hah!. For a long time I used the Blizzard UI, to be honest I don't see much disadvantage with using it.
I think if you click and only click then your playstyle is focussed around clicking and it works, though you may restrict yourself in movement at certain times that would not happen if you used keybinds (especially so in PvP). The big issues come when you try to click some things and keybind others, this is what leaves you at a big disadvantage.
If you're gonna keybind or click then commit to either, if you spend 30s using just keybinds and then suddenly you have to click something and you can't even find your mouse curser!
Edit : If the guy is Endless wave 32 then he isn't doing anything wrong, only exceptional players get this far.
Last edited by Bigbazz; 2013-10-08 at 02:33 PM.
I7 2600k @4.5ghz : 16GB DDR3 : GTX670 : Firestudio : Naga : G27
I do agree though that for example in pvp i would be dead in seconds opposed to people who key bind.
However in PVE its a different story.
now it is something i`m experienced in since i have been doing this from late 2005.
DPS/ Tank/ Healing, I have done it all and in the guilds i was in i was always in the top5 when it came to DPS, top3 for healing and never wiped a raid due to being a clicker as tank.
Now i dont have any aspiration to run Heroics normal is just fine for me and perhaps i would have issues in heroic. but if that would be the case i might give it a go. for now its not needed to perform well.
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