Last edited by Mad_Murdock; 2013-10-08 at 02:47 PM.
I'm an LFR hero.
But I mean that in the fullest sense. I watch raid videos, learn strats. I'm the guy that clears a wing once its released because I prepped for it and lead an LFR through all the encounters. I am an LFR tank and leader.
My only addons are DBM and Atlas-loot. I thought about getting Omen for threat, but then I was too derp to keep updating it after I was getting LUA errors.
Anyways, if you activate the left action bar, you'll see that some of the keys are pre-bound for you, like F, E, and Q. I also have R and C bound. Other than that, I click.
I simply have too many abilities to try and hotkey, and remember successfully, but I can keep track of my main four. For everything else, I click.
DO NOT let anyone tell you that key board turning is bad. Yes, technically, mouse turning is a bit more flexible because you can 360 on the spot, but all that does is add a tiny bit of pewpew in Arena. Completely unnecessary for PvE.
Key binds may be useful for Melee classes that don't have huge cast timers and thus need to fill their ability queue, but for casters, this is easily done while casting something for two seconds.
You're perfectly capable of getting pretty far into regular and some Heroic Raiding as a Blizz UI/Clicker and anyone telling you otherwise is just trying to make you feel less skilled to boost their epeen.
Some advice for clickers wanting to try key binding:
1. Recognize you don't have to key everything. Many will tell you to but if you use an ability once or less on a standard 7 min then dont worry. Also buffs don't need to key bound for same reason.
2. Keybind one spell a week, starting with the "filler" spell you use the most. Ele sham key lightbolt, fire Mage key fireball, holy play do holy light. Work your way up the priority list every week until all your basic rotation is key bound. Don't feel pressure to do to many at once.
3. Keep binding until you find a balance that feels good. This will probably be 4-6 abilities and an interrupt.
BONUS: get a mouse with 2 side buttons. These end up being very very easy to use because chances are your thumb on mouse was not doing anything. My advice; one should be an interrupt and one should be a dispel/ spell you use conditionally ( pyroblasts when it is instant or earth shock at 7 stacks )
Last edited by Txiv; 2013-10-08 at 03:57 PM.
So many of these arguments in favor of clicking are littered with relativity.
"My friend is a clicker and he is top DPS" -- Of what? a 3/14 normal guild on a backwater server? Provide perspective (logs, location, etc...)
"I clicked all throughout <expansion> and I cleared heroic bosses too on the top guild on our server" -- What server? What population? Were the heroics cleared during the end of the xpac where a raid might have had a 30% nerf?
Those sorts of statements just kind of bother me if not put into any sort of perspective.
I started out as a clicker when I played EQ back in the day but the second I got the memory muscle down for keybinds, gaming was so much more fun, not to mention it was more enjoyable to play watching my character as well as the raid as opposed to looking at my bars.
As a prot paladin, I use the G510 keyboard and the newest Razer Naga. Every G key on the keyboard has it's own spell binding as well as on the naga. I couldn't imagine ever going back to clicking my abilities.
Sure a clicker can be a good player but you're I would argue against anyone being as efficient and effective as someone that doesn't need to constantly look at their bars.
But instead of being skeptical about achievements, ask yourself why a clicker couldn't get these? What is so hard? I admit my performance has dropped significantly since wrath/4.0 and I tend to not always complete heroic tiers pre-nerf these more recent tiers due to having made my own more social guild, but it's not like clicking was the reason I dropped, I clicked back then too.
Looks to me like a lot of people see a big increase in performance when they go keybinder more because they are shit at clicking than because keybind is inherently super awesome.
Keybinding is best for healers, it's great when i am resto druiding, but for dps? Makes feck all difference if you don't plan your fight like badly. Tanks? lol you've got ages as long as you keep threat.
All these "keybinds let you react faster" posters? In pve why are you reacting to anything? The fight should be known to you already. DBM timers, weakauras yadda yadda.
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And the answer is loads of people do just fine while clicking. No, it's not absolutely optimal. But that's ok, theres no need to be absolutely optimal just to clear stuff, even on heroic modes. World first racers, sure. Everyone else it doesn't matter for much.
The main thing is you can be successful as a clicker but most of the evidence will be anecdotal "I top dps in my raids" so for that specific player they are doing fine for there environment. There is a reason you don't see the top world raiders clicking as it has a coupel of negatives that keybinding don't.
1) Off GCD spells are much faster activated and used in conjunction with on GCD abilities while keybinding. The best example is Heroic leap as you also have to target it and clicking it then placing the target activating it and then returning mouse to click gcd ability is slower than doing your reg rotation while moving mouse to where you want to go hitting keybind for HL and continuing rotation for example.
2) Mouse over macros... well untill some one can explain how you pull that off with clicking there not possible and as such a oretty big negative for things like intervene, using vig on a target, taunting etc.
3) Movement heavy fights ..sure you could keyboard move but that will reduce the rate at wich you can turn fast and react again... can be done but it's far from optimal and normally where clicking's down fall really stands out.
Again you can most deff be successful in your personal gaming exp clicking. However I view it like this --> I could play footie in my sneakers no problem however if the field was wet running in them would suck and I could do a lot better with spikes! Why would I purposefuly not wear spikes if I knew they could help even just a little bit? Might not be playing in the premier legue but still in the beer legue you still want to perform as well as you can....then again there will be others in there sneakers going "meh I still do fine when it's wet for my team".
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i have tried keybindings, but i just cant get on with them. i play a healer, so maybe thats why i still do pretty good HPS.
yes, tanks do more than just threat, but as long as they have threat it's not super crucial for 99% of the playerbase if they miss a few attacks here and there. Tanks are the class that can "get away" with clicking the most.
Again, lets all ignore the "method don't click" rubbish because it's not what the OP is about.
Granted, but the difference is 0.1~seconds. You will get a larger dps increase from not being so egotistical about being a keybinder (j/k), well from preparing so you are focused before the raid and don't slip up or react late.1) Off GCD spells are much faster activated and used in conjunction with on GCD abilities while keybinding. The best example is Heroic leap as you also have to target it and clicking it then placing the target activating it and then returning mouse to click gcd ability is slower than doing your reg rotation while moving mouse to where you want to go hitting keybind for HL and continuing rotation for example.
If you've played a lot of indie games you'd know how, it's by being able to control a mouse well. If you really struggle there are ways you can make your mouse "port" to a spot (a la graphics tablet used as mouse or mouse that works similar), the spot being defined by your pad. I would recommend having a mouse pad or similar for this so you don't have to concentrate on it, although it probably comes with practice anyway. Regardless the hardware isn't needed if you have good mouse control.2) Mouse over macros... well untill some one can explain how you pull that off with clicking there not possible and as such a oretty big negative for things like intervene, using vig on a target, taunting etc.
Only fight that covers this is hexos, as I believe you need good RNG to make it solely with keybinds and are better off mouse turning the whole thing (never tested just killed it mouse turning). Stuff like Al'akir hc, mimiron firefighter, alysrazor hc, all easy to handle. Did you know you can bind strafe? (and it's bound by default)3) Movement heavy fights ..sure you could keyboard move but that will reduce the rate at wich you can turn fast and react again... can be done but it's far from optimal and normally where clicking's down fall really stands out.
Well if you're just playing with friends and you find the spikes awkward you could just wear sneakers for comfort.Again you can most deff be successful in your personal gaming exp clicking. However I view it like this --> I could play footie in my sneakers no problem however if the field was wet running in them would suck and I could do a lot better with spikes! Why would I purposefuly not wear spikes if I knew they could help even just a little bit? Might not be playing in the premier legue but still in the beer legue you still want to perform as well as you can....then again there will be others in there sneakers going "meh I still do fine when it's wet for my team".
I would love to see a vid from a prot war clicking if you can find one on normal modes by all means please share the link. I'm no heroic raider myself and even I can't immagine clicking being "fine" for a prot war in normals.
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It pains me having to deal with the 2 clickers in my raid , we raid heroics and their dps definently suffers because of it. It's a miracle how well our shadow priest does (especially being a multi dot class) while clicking. his dps would go up 30k if he didnt click. Our warlock does terrible numbers for his 551 item level and he is also a clicker and boy does it show, especially on fights like heroic primordius. Very very painful.
I remember raiding with clickers/keyboard turners on hard mode yogg-saron and having them run into clouds continually because of keyboard turning. ugh the pain, it hurts to think about it .
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Yeah but it's not essential, and it doesn't matter (except for if you are in method etc) so tanks can get away with missing stuff the most.You got threat? good , Are you ensuring you have damage mitigation up and or pooling resources to keep mitigation? Good now are you min maxing your rotation to increase your dps as much as possible?good. I believe the last part is where many will just go "meh dps is doing fine I just got to stay alive" and for myself...thats just not good enough! Tanks can contribute to a good chunk of dps in a raid now and if you arent min maxing your dps like the rest of the DPS then you are failing as a tank and are just doing part of what you should! As a prot was procs and min maxing make keybinding a godsend as well as abilities off the gcd!
Tank has threat? All is well, even if they miss a few attacks here and there. Dps miss dps? Well that's the point of dps gone then, isn't it? Healers miss heals? oh look, dead folks. Tanks have the most leeway, end of story.
i used to be a clicker and a tank back in TBC and wrath - but towards the end of wrath (or maybe even in cata) i got myself a razer naga and it changed my life.
back in tbc there really weren't that many abilities i needed to use and i could lay them all out in sequential order, in wotlk, you could actually macro the tanking rotation to 1 key if you wanted to. so i was at no great loss.
nowadays with active mitigation and a crapload more abilities to bind, i wouldn't do it. i still click a lot of my cooldowns, but practically all my rotational abilities are keybound to my naga.
but, tbh, i'm not a hardcore raider and when i was, i was fast enough and accurate enough with the mouse that it didn't really matter much - i'd always be clicking away on the next ability before it came off GCD, but then as a prot paladin, it really wasn't that complicated.
if i were playing a warrior tank, i would've likely had no other choice than to keybind.
where's the goddamned ESO sub forum?
Heh, back in Vanilla I clicked AND used the arrow keys to move(played a Hunter so normally I could just right click a boss and afk), WoW was my first PC game ever besides Myst, before WoW I had been a strict Playstation gamer and had a hard time with the keyboard. There were just SO many keys and having been restricted to just a stick and four buttons for years I found it impossible to even think about keybinding(I also didn't even know you could or that WASD keys were available for movement). But then one of my friends decided it would be a good idea to bring my Hunter in for UBRS to kite General. God save us all... I was so not ready for that. All I could do was hit distracting shot and run like a bitch, which I did, but I could NOT get to my FD button with my mouse whent he RL called for me to, I ended up doing laps in Beasts room swearing in no specific language before the ENTIRE raid showed up, laughing over TS. After that I sat down with the friend that had invited me and asked him for help, since then I've never clicked again.
I have no problem with people who click, until their clicking causes a problem, which hasn't happened often, but it HAS happened. People being stupid has caused more problems though. q: