+1 would "LOL" again.
The fact is, most of us are older now with families and work 50+ hours per week to provide a good life for our wives and kids. When I have a huge chunk of time on my day off, I go to Napa to drink wine or spend time out with friends that I can't hang out with everyday like I used to. LFR is great for people like us who want to log on, do something semi-fun, and get back to real life. I won't apologize for that. There is much more to life than sitting in front of your PC all day, which is why I'm not mad about something as silly as LFR.
I would love to raid normals and be challenged. I was planning on it when I took my vacation. I chose to fly out to Maui instead and watch the sunrise above the clouds on a mountain 8,800 feet above sea level. Oh well, maybe next vacation.
Besides, him working 50 hours a week is likely putting significant resources into his bank account, which in the grand scheme of things, is a lot more important in real life than virtual gold in an MMO. Including my commute (I consider time spent related to work as working), I'm pulling 50-55 hours a week myself, go to school for another 10-15 a week, and no longer care to maintain the rigorous raid schedule I once maintained (itself was close to 35 hours a week, when you consider pre-raid preparation activities).
You get older, wiser... and then you realize people change, particularly (and sometimes surprisingly) yourself. You need to accept that.
Last edited by Vindican; 2013-10-09 at 08:03 PM.
God damn, this so much, I feel like a lot of people I meet in lfr need to realise that they're playing a video game to have fun, and in a game like WoW they're not going to have total control on the outcome of a boss. I literally had a warrior announce to the raid about how shit it was and how he was going to leave if we wiped again on the shamans, we wiped a second time, he announced to the raid again that he was leaving (he even did a countdown) and then bailed.
He was doing 60k dps.
We downed the boss on the next attempt, and the guy who replaced him was a rogue doing 200k dps.
Testing new gear/rotations
Getting KTT or Purified Bindings of Immerseus since they didn't drop and it will be a while till they do.
Playing with friends just for fun or DPS racing
Seeing how it's tuned
I could go on...
And me saying that "Oh I want/need to do LFR for gear in order to help my raid" might not mean much because in the grand scheme of things I'm just someone in a top 1000 guild, not much. People from Method, Blood Legion, Paragon, etc running LFR on the other hand should prove there's reason for Heroic raiders to go into LFR.
The second Blizzard stops putting gear that is better than previous/current normal or heroic gear in LFR I will gladly never join again.
Looks like maybe Blizzard is starting to get a working knowledge of what 25 random people are going to be capable of in a group. Personally, I think it's fine that LFR settles in to work pretty much like a 25-man normal dungeon. It seems as if people want to get in, get out and get on to something else.
The one thing I can say with some certainty is that way too many people take LFR too seriously. It's not serious business. It's fine to see the sights, get a sense of the rooms and a vague idea of what the bosses look like before going to Flex if that's what they have in mind. Those that are happy enough with LFR as is should enjoy it for what it is and that would be the end of it. Those that can't tolerate it should stay out and largely ignore it.
A lot of people fondly remember running Wrath heroics when everyone was overpowered and they were AOE fests. That wasn't serious business either. If LFR settles into that difficulty level it will do just fine. If that's tank & spank with some minor movement requirements, great.
Everyone else: relax and stop arguing that it should be serious raiding simply so you can knock it down as not being serious raiding.
Last edited by MoanaLisa; 2013-10-09 at 08:47 PM.
A bit of civility and respect for others opinions goes a long way toward getting any respect in return. Overly hostile, profane and insulting posts are a sign that people don't really have anything to say. Profanity is best served out in very small doses.
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After wading through 4 pages of the same old tired shit the essence is:
Obviously LFRaiders a skilless and need any help they can get. Heroic raiders however are awesome. Naturally nobody ever even remotely considers that players mix, that heroic and normal players actually also do LFR. That thought entered nobodies mind, eh? If you as a heroic raider are in LFR you are automatically braindead.
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The long version is in my sig. For crying out loud let people play as they want. This is NOT your game and you don't get to tell 7 million ppl how they play it.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
And on the other, you don't want it to be accessable to the average joe, and would rather it be difficult and ergo, have significantly higher requirements for entry as every other raid wouldn't make it to the end in it's current state, and therefore, have unrealistically huge queue times because the time/reward simply isn't worth it in a raid situation where 1 out of the 24 other strangers can simply ruin it for everyone else.
When you're dealing with random matchmaking, you need to balance content to account for trolls, griefers, underperformers, and afk-ers, because they're going to show up regardless of the requirements set. Remember DS, and people subverted the Ilvl system by having unequippable purples in their bags with a mix of pvp gear?
Frankly, I'd rather put up with the fuss and have that extra avenue of gear (Especially if VP stops being for gear moving forward) than have to submit to bad RNG. You're probably pushing high enough numbers now to not have to worry about enrage timers without the bindings, and the personal DPS increase might help secure a raid spot, but really, you're not likely wiping becasue you don't have the LFR version of your BiS trinkets.
Why are people complaining about LFR loot being to good when you can get better gear from Timeless Isle and never even have to enter a raid group. I'll admit in 5.2 and 5.3 I mostly did LFR but with the addition of flex and the ease of finding a flex group, I really have no reason to run LFR anymore.
My biggest gripe is that people go out to Isle, get a full 496 loot with shit stats on and think that's raid ready for SoO. Just... no.
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." - Ayn Rand
1. OMG. LFR is so dumb-down and easy.. it doesn´t deserve to give epics
2. OMG. these guys suck so bad, they wiped 5 times.
I am just not sure how both of those things can be accurate at the same time which is why, although I don´t do LFR anymore, I tend to think we are just dealing with a bunch of kids with small penises in this forum that need to brag to feel good about themselves.
Every other tier, I did LFR on two characters and never saw half of what people talk about. I never saw really subpar DPS or people afking... and by far the worst, and most annoying people were the ´real raiders´..
But in the end, I really think the problem with LFR compared to normal mode is that in normal mode, you learn ( and fail) mechanisms with friends, who are also learning ( and failing) them at the exact same time you are. Once you learn those mechanisms on normal, and then you jump into LFR.. of course the people who only do LFR are going to look like they are failing mechanisms.. because it is the first time they are seeing them.. the difference is, they are failing them in front of strangers, many who already did that boss for a couple weeks and are now looking for a speed-run.
the other thing is just griefing. A lot of people assume that mechanisms are removed to make things easier for the ´baddies´.. but the fact is most mechanisms that are completely removed are removed because you can use them to grief. For instance, on Galaron, crush wasn´t nerfed because of players accidently setting it off, it was nerfed because two guildmates thought it would be funny to purposefully sit under the boss and laugh at the people getting killed.
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It is hard to take someone serious when they say something like that. Not to mention the whole thing about ´playing with friends just for fun´... by doing something you absolutely hate? Seriously. do heroic scenerios, or even start a pug flex with friends.
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The other problem is the system shock of new tiers (expansions). Again, I never thought Cata heroic dungeons were hard.. but they were drastically harder on DPS than what they had been experiencing for the last 12 months of Wotlk.
LFR is endgame for a lot of players, it has to have at least a little bit of difficulty to it throughout the tier..
I like the new wing. I'd rather it be a bit easier considering there are already 2 other weeks to grind through each week. I'd rather enjoy easier LFR gearing up a bunch of toons then have LFR so hard/painful that I wouldn't bother doing any endgame at all.
People limited to LFR can do flex raids now. There's really no excuse to moan over the difficult of LFR imo. LFR is the new 5mans for WoW. Get used to it.