Number 2 Commander of U.S. Nuclear Forces fired

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Tim Giardina, 3-Star Navy Admiral, Fired As No. 2 Commander Of U.S. Nuclear Forces

I'm slightly worried that the #2 Commander of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world has a gambling problem.

[Flutterguy]

There were also some nuclear weapon transportation mishaps that graced the headlines a while back.

[Noomz]

Tim Giardina, 3-Star Navy Admiral, Fired As No. 2 Commander Of U.S. Nuclear Forces

I'm slightly worried that the #2 Commander of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world has a gambling problem.

Why? He's been fired for it. What's to worry about?
People get problems. It's not like a commander is excempt from these problems.

[Notchris]

Why? He's been fired for it. What's to worry about?
People get problems. It's not like a commander is excempt from these problems.

Basically how I see.

Regardless of rank, he's still just a human like me or you.

[obdigore]

Tim Giardina, 3-Star Navy Admiral, Fired As No. 2 Commander Of U.S. Nuclear Forces

I'm slightly worried that the #2 Commander of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world has a gambling problem.

He wasn't really 'fired', he was relieved of his day to day duties, pending the investigation.

That said, something like a gambling problem is how you lose security clearance, so I assume he will be allowed to resign from the military if the investigation has hard evidence that he knowingly used fake chips.

PS -> Iowa has casinos? You learn something new every day...

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Why? He's been fired for it. What's to worry about?

Miss use of classified information. Would not be the first guy that sold out his country due to gambling problems.
People fit for this type of a job should really be above this kind of earthly "sins".

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There have been events in the world, where people with their fingers on the button have been put in a situation where someone who likes to gamble would have already scorched the Earth. Yes, this gambler was fired from his position as the #2 Commander of the U.S. nuclear forces, but what's worrying is that such a person held the position at all.

[obdigore]

There have been events in the world, where people with their fingers on the button have been put in a situation where someone who likes to gamble would have already scorched the Earth. Yes, this gambler was fired from his position as the #2 Commander of the U.S. nuclear forces, but what's worrying is that such a person held the position at all.

First of all, we have no proof that he has a 'gambling problem', the investigation is into if he knowingly used fake casino chips. That might allude to a gambling problem; it might not.

However, this guy would never be the one with his 'finger on the button', and unlike the movies there is more of a requirement for launching a nuclear weapon than just one guy pushing a big red button.

[Wikko]

First of all, we have no proof that he has a 'gambling problem', the investigation is into if he knowingly used fake casino chips. That might allude to a gambling problem; it might not.

However, this guy would never be the one with his 'finger on the button', and unlike the movies there is more of a requirement for launching a nuclear weapon than just one guy pushing a big red button.

I recently read an article about some soviet officer who was in this kind of situation. In cold war there was some mistake and alert was given that USA had launched nukes to the soviets, the officer was sure that it was a mistake and he decided to not give the call that would've launched the nukes from soviet to USA. The officer was fired from his job eventhough it turned out to be a mistake and that if he had decided otherwise, it would've most likely end up in nuclear war...He later won several awards for his actions. So atleast in cold war there actually was a one guy with his "finger on the button"

[obdigore]

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I recently read an article about some soviet officer who was in this kind of situation. In cold war there was some mistake and alert was given that USA had launched nukes to the soviets, the officer was sure that it was a mistake and he decided to not give the call that would've launched the nukes from soviet to USA. The officer was fired from his job eventhough it turned out to be a mistake and that if he had decided otherwise, it would've most likely end up in nuclear war...He later won several awards for his actions. So atleast in cold war there actually was a one guy with his "finger on the button"

1) This command structure originated in the 90s.
2) This isn't Russia?
3) The Cold War was a very different time for both the US and Russia.

[Wikko]

1) This command structure originated in the 90s.
2) This isn't Russia?
3) The Cold War was a very different time for both the US and Russia.

I wasnt trying to disprove you, I merely stated that in the cold war there actually was an event with someones finger on the button, that could've annihilated earth.

[obdigore]

I wasnt trying to disprove you, I merely stated that in the cold war there actually was an event with someones finger on the button, that could've annihilated earth.

Oh yes. And after the uber-paranoia that existed during that time, the US (at least) realized that was fucking stupid and took steps to change that.

[Bakis]

He got fired, just shows the system is working in at least this case

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First of all, we have no proof that he has a 'gambling problem', the investigation is into if he knowingly used fake casino chips. That might allude to a gambling problem; it might not.

However, this guy would never be the one with his 'finger on the button', and unlike the movies there is more of a requirement for launching a nuclear weapon than just one guy pushing a big red button.

Regardless if true or not it is not about that. Any addiction and problem can be exploited by foreign or domestic powers. Pretty sure a person in his position sits on a welath of information that is sensitive.

[Notchris]

Miss use of classified information. Would not be the first guy that sold out his country due to gambling problems.
People fit for this type of a job should really be above this kind of earthly "sins".

Really?

No human is "above" something like an addiction. Anyone can have/develop one.

For your qualifications, you'd need a damn robot.

[zoomgpally]

Tim Giardina, 3-Star Navy Admiral, Fired As No. 2 Commander Of U.S. Nuclear Forces

I'm slightly worried that the #2 Commander of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world has a gambling problem.

And im slightly worried you find "gambling problem" in that article

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And im slightly worried you find "gambling problem" in that article

Paying for gambling with fake chips isn't a problem?

[Neufab]

There have been events in the world, where people with their fingers on the button have been put in a situation where someone who likes to gamble would have already scorched the Earth. Yes, this gambler was fired from his position as the #2 Commander of the U.S. nuclear forces, but what's worrying is that such a person held the position at all.

I'd be more worried about having someone who jumps to conclusions in that position....if you catch my drift.

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It is a well known fact that the higher up the ranks Officers get, the crazier they are. To be a Colonel means to be absolutely potty, Generals are almost certifiable, they all have their vices.

[Chirri]

Really?

No human is "above" something like an addiction. Anyone can have/develop one.

For your qualifications, you'd need a damn robot.

My first thought was, "Would you like to play a game?"

As for the man in question, I'm glad they're looking into it, and I'm glad we're not all glowing in the dark already. I sympathize with just about everyone placed in a position of great responsibility, particularly when a bright light is shone on their imperfections. I don't know whether I'd rather not know that someone with a potential gambling problem and pretty big weak point was in such a position, or glad to know (but really hope the matter doesn't take center stage when it's already being dealt with, and there are frankly other things we could be scrutinizing more productively).

[Wilian]

Basically how I see.

Regardless of rank, he's still just a human like me or you.

Well I tend to find it healthy to have higher expectations and standards for someone who has any sort of command nuclear weapons. But meh, might be just me.