515 is enough to one shot everything.
I've seen people with 520+ gear doing under 100k dps in flex, not to mention stubborn tanks that have no clue about anything also in 520+ gear.
540+ is definitely overkill, but 530 is very reasonable if anything to weed out the liabilities.
Nothing wrong with wanting a smooth run. Do you think we appreciate having to do Flex even if we're at >555 ilvl?
It just means you have to make more effort to either get to know those players by raiding with maybe their lesser geared alts (and then being invited to their "mains" runs) or that you need to organise the raid yourself
They don't want to wipe for hours on Thok and Spoils. These bosses were a nightmare on Flex last week.
Its a pug expect the pug leader to want an optimal run. I never agreed with pugs going for a run and wanting people to have the last boss achievement. So I made my own and had no requirements and actively managed the run (insuring people who slacked were removed and any douche bags who flamed others got removed). That was back in wrath but I can imagine you easily making a smooth run in flex with your own rules.
Anyway, the point is why he needs that requirements for flex? Certainly that people don't need the loot - 540+ means above any flex piece of gear - so it's just one of these options:
- he wanted a boost run for himself or other people,
- he wanted to do something completely unrelated with gear drops.
Perfectly free to do any of the two, just it isn't appealing for a guy who already knows everything to run a random guy from trade into flex - i'd go with an alt. I know the fights and can do proper damage so i'd come with that.
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Simple answer: Don't join pugs with ridiculous requirements. There have always been the people who set crazy requirements because they're just running it to hope that extra piece of loot drops and aren't interested in actually treating it like a progression run. Make a note to avoid runs done by those people and move on. It's clearly not the run for you.
Personally I hate the attitude that it's okay to set ridiculous requirements because "their raid, their rules". Outright idiocy can and should be dealt with, not swept under the carpet with a blanket statement excusing that behavior. Unless for some reason this is the only pug available to you, then the best course of action is to ignore it and move on and find a group that's suited to what you are looking for.
Did a flex last week with a 396~ ilevel friend, she didnt die and every boss was a 1 shot. I'm not 100% sure what boss you can really fail to on flexi :/
If I were putting a run together, I'd ask the same. I don't want to teach others on those types of runs. I'm only doing flex for quickish valor and a few upgrades it still has.
As long as people can keep getting runs w/ higher geared people, they will. Nothing wrong with it.
It comes down to this. My toon is geared. I can play it well. Why should I take a chance on your toon that definitely will have less potential due to lower gear, and very likely will underperform because you aren't as good, when I can have higher requirements and increase the chance of getting better players who can perform better? Is it a guarantee? No. But a 540 player is probably a good enough raider, while a 520 is a crapshoot.
At this point I don't do flex for YOU to learn. I do it for ME to get gear, and I don't want to carry those who I don't have a vested interest in carrying.
I run flex on three or four toons. My 558 warrior and 555 DK both do a few bosses they need, either for tier, weapons, or trinkets. My 2nd warrior does everything, and my priest I do if a friend needs help.
I hate bads, basically. People who are not great but want to learn, I can work with. People who are unskilled/lazy, NTY.
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So i am a moron with just 523 Ilvl and only flex part 1 done thank you for pointing that out. I only do guild runs, so I do not care about high ilvls of those demanding people, though I found out that those that request that higher Ilvl just want a boost through flex , an easy run. It's their run, and their rules of course.
I thought that flex was designed for people that wanted to run with friends and their guild because they did not have the time for gearing up for normals or playing in a raid guild. A raid more designed for social guilds that like to raid now and then.
Are your guildies/friends demanding ilvl from you?
And to the guy a few posts above me, ilvl 558, could still do with 3 upgrades from flex.
Even you, Cold, could get a bunch of upgrades from Flex and your ilvl is like 545+
When we are doing our "main flex" we faceroll it all with 550+, but when we do it with alts at avg 510 its not that much harder, just takes abit longer.
We do invite randoms every now and then, we never even check their ilvl, just their current exp.
For flex, having both ilvl req and exp req is abit silly, if you have full exp you should be able to go, no matter the gear you have, since you wont do any fatal misstakes hopefully, its just the avg dps/hps will be worse.